Progress, progress, progress and progress?

Spdyracer · May 24, 2016

Some trees I collected this spring are coming right along.

First my autumn olive doing really well and has a strong new leader.

Second my pear tree has lots of back budding just hasn't grown a leader where I would like one yet.

Third a honeysuckle I collected a few weeks ago. It only took about 9 days and it had some nice budding coming out.

Now the fourth gets a question mark. This is a larger maple I got rights as the buds where swelling and ended up with a good amount of roots. It has been very slow to back bud but finally has started the last couple weeks. The problem as you can see is there all around the base of the tree and a couple are even suckers coming off the roots. Is this a bad sign for this tree? Could it just be that because this is a much larger tree than the others that it may take much longer to get some budding up higher? Getting worried that the buds coming out are just from stored energy from the tree and it will eventually kick the bucket. Any thoughts on it would be appreciated.

Cypress187 · May 24, 2016

Spdyracer said:
and a couple are even suckers coming off the roots. Is this a bad sign for this tree? Could it just be that because this is a much larger tree than the others that it may take much longer to get some budding up higher? Getting worried that the buds coming out are just from stored energy from the tree and it will eventually kick the bucket.

I have the same problem on a birch i want to give to a friend, how fast will it die back? I was pondering on the idea to craft the suckers back to where i want them.

Alain · May 24, 2016

Spdyracer said:
Getting worried that the buds coming out are just from stored energy from the tree and it will eventually kick the bucket.

The infamous BFOTEOD!

(Bouquet Final Of The Energy Of Death)

I hope not!

drew33998 · May 24, 2016

How were the roots on the maple when you collected it? It shows signs of root stress. I would put it in the shade and do not over water it until it starts sending out new shoots. Though with a tree that big it could just have sent out those shoots completely off of its reserves

Spdyracer · May 24, 2016

This was the roots when I cleaned them off at the time of collection. Tree was easy to collect, no tap root just dug around and tree came out of the ground no problems.

drew33998 · May 24, 2016

It does have some feeder roots but most look like they are structural. I would keep it out of indirect sunlight and try not to keep it too wet.

Zach Smith · May 24, 2016

Spdyracer said:
Some trees I collected this spring are coming right along.

First my autumn olive doing really well and has a strong new leader.

Second my pear tree has lots of back budding just hasn't grown a leader where I would like one yet.

Third a honeysuckle I collected a few weeks ago. It only took about 9 days and it had some nice budding coming out.

Now the fourth gets a question mark. This is a larger maple I got rights as the buds where swelling and ended up with a good amount of roots. It has been very slow to back bud but finally has started the last couple weeks. The problem as you can see is there all around the base of the tree and a couple are even suckers coming off the roots. Is this a bad sign for this tree? Could it just be that because this is a much larger tree than the others that it may take much longer to get some budding up higher? Getting worried that the buds coming out are just from stored energy from the tree and it will eventually kick the bucket. Any thoughts on it would be appreciated.

Did you seal all those chops? The first one you posted doesn't look to have been sealed. If you didn't seal the maple, it most likely dried out and died back almost to the root base.

Incidentally, I have often found for deciduous trees that getting a lot of roots, and especially the finer roots, does not lead to a faster and better recovery. In fact, it may actually be detrimental. These are not feeder roots, which are white and succulent looking and really tender, but rather hardened-off former feeder roots. They don't provide anything to the collected tree, but they do take up resources from the tree which tries to save them.

For what it's worth.

Zach

Spdyracer · May 24, 2016

Zach Smith said:
Did you seal all those chops? The first one you posted doesn't look to have been sealed. If you didn't seal the maple, it most likely dried out and died back almost to the root base.

Incidentally, I have often found for deciduous trees that getting a lot of roots, and especially the finer roots, does not lead to a faster and better recovery. In fact, it may actually be detrimental. These are not feeder roots, which are white and succulent looking and really tender, but rather hardened-off former feeder roots. They don't provide anything to the collected tree, but they do take up resources from the tree which tries to save them.

For what it's worth.

Zach

Thanks zach I sealed the cuts with wood glue but with all the rain that could have been washed off. That's what I've done with all the trees I collected and they have done fine but they were also not as big.

Spdyracer · May 24, 2016

Zach Smith said:
Did you seal all those chops? The first one you posted doesn't look to have been sealed. If you didn't seal the maple, it most likely dried out and died back almost to the root base.

Incidentally, I have often found for deciduous trees that getting a lot of roots, and especially the finer roots, does not lead to a faster and better recovery. In fact, it may actually be detrimental. These are not feeder roots, which are white and succulent looking and really tender, but rather hardened-off former feeder roots. They don't provide anything to the collected tree, but they do take up resources from the tree which tries to save them.

For what it's worth.

Zach

Question for you on the roots also for future knowledge since if tree doesn't make it I'll probably dig another maple just as big. Would it have been better to cut off most of the old root mass? If that's a good way to handle it is there a good way to decide what to keep and how much to keep?

Alain · May 24, 2016

No relation to your post whatsoever but btw: nice bike on your avatar!
Is it yours and is it a pan head?
(I had one from 1964 but I never rode it as I left before I finished to fix her)

Zach Smith · May 24, 2016

Spdyracer said:
Thanks zach I sealed the cuts with wood glue but with all the rain that could have been washed off. That's what I've done with all the trees I collected and they have done fine but they were also not as big.

Good deal. It makes such a big difference.

Zach Smith · May 24, 2016

Spdyracer said:
Question for you on the roots also for future knowledge since if tree doesn't make it I'll probably dig another maple just as big. Would it have been better to cut off most of the old root mass? If that's a good way to handle it is there a good way to decide what to keep and how much to keep?

Looking at the tree above, I would have cut off 60-80% of those roots. They don't improve the odds of success.

Spdyracer · May 24, 2016

Thanks Alain it's a bike I built a few years back and it has 110 cubic inch evo engine in it. Pan head would have been cool though.

Alain said:
No relation to your post whatsoever but btw: nice bike on your avatar!
Is it yours and is it a pan head?
(I had one from 1964 but I never rode it as I left before I finished to fix her)

Alain · May 24, 2016

Spdyracer said:
Thanks Alain it's a bike I built a few years back and it has 110 cubic inch evo engine in it. Pan head would have been cool though.

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Really nice!

I was working on getting my wife to accept that I buy a new one when I discovered bonsai.
Now I'm basically screwed

Just one dependency at a time, so she says...

Spdyracer · May 24, 2016

Came home and scraped the bark in three spot, at the base, about quarter of the way up and three quarters of the way up the trunk. No green at all on any of the places just brown. Should be some green under the bark?

Eric Group · May 24, 2016

Maple is certainly dead from above the growth, perhaps it will keep growing where it is growing now, but if it is brown below that growth that is not a good sign!

Spdyracer · May 24, 2016

Eric Group said:
Maple is certainly dead from above the growth, perhaps it will keep growing where it is growing now, but if it is brown below that growth that is not a good sign!

Well that sucks but was starting to figure where this was going. Just got my fire pit done at the house this might be the first tree to go in.

Spdyracer · May 25, 2016

Took one of the buds off this morning and scraped the bottom and no green at all. Guess this things toast.

Spdyracer · May 27, 2016

Well the big maple is in the fire pit tonight may it rest in piece. Did replace it today with a sweet gum tree. hopefully it doesn't end up in the fire pit also one day.

jcrossett · May 27, 2016

Nice replacement

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