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Without malice, or any negative connotations connected (because D. Trump is now your President), I want to make one prediction for the next election if Trump runs again...

... I predict, that Alec Baldwin will run against Donald. BUT, not as himself, but Alec will run against the President using his SNL Donald Trump persona... in essence, Donald Trump will be both Republican and a Democrat.
 

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Without malice, or any negative connotations connected (because D. Trump is now your President), I want to make one prediction for the next election if Trump runs again...

... I predict, that Alec Baldwin will run against Donald. BUT, not as himself, but Alec will run against the President using his SNL Donald Trump persona... in essence, Donald Trump will be both Republican and a Democrat.
That's funny, offending but funny. Your post seems to indicate you are not an American citizen because you mentioned that Trump is not your President?
 

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I didn't mean to be offensive; but I did think it was comical when it popped into my head.

Alec Baldwin is no dummy, and more than one person half expected him to run at some governmental level in the past, who knows if he'll take up the torch if some high powered people get behind him...

Lets face it, Baldwin knows how to get his goat and I don't think it will stop just because Trump has been sworn in now. IMHO, Trump has to realize that T.V. and actors should not be the President's focus, and he needs to pay attention to the task at hand.

For all intents and purposes (IMHO), we Canadians have (nearly) as much of an interest in seeing him succeed as you Americans do... but, like I said in another thread, I think he'll use a protectionist philosophy and isolate the U.S. from the rest of the world rather than harness all of the elements that make a good Democracy powerful. (The same thing holds true had Hilary had won.)

Protectionism leads to isolationism... the American trading partners throughout the world can, with some adjustments, make due without the U.S. as a trading partner if they have to... high import tariffs on trade goods will further isolate the States... hopefully his advisors will make this clear... and, hopefully he will listen... for the good of us all.
 

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I didn't mean to be offensive; but I did think it was comical when it popped into my head.

Alec Baldwin is no dummy, and more than one person half expected him to run at some governmental level in the past, who knows if he'll take up the torch if some high powered people get behind him...

Lets face it, Baldwin knows how to get his goat and I don't think it will stop just because Trump has been sworn in now. IMHO, Trump has to realize that T.V. and actors should not be the President's focus, and he needs to pay attention to the task at hand.

For all intents and purposes (IMHO), we Canadians have (nearly) as much of an interest in seeing him succeed as you Americans do... but, like I said in another thread, I think he'll use a protectionist philosophy and isolate the U.S. from the rest of the world rather than harness all of the elements that make a good Democracy powerful. (The same thing holds true had Hilary had won.)

Protectionism leads to isolationism... the American trading partners throughout the world can, with some adjustments, make due without the U.S. as a trading partner if they have to... high import tariffs on trade goods will further isolate the States... hopefully his advisors will make this clear... and, hopefully he will listen... for the good of us all.
I disagree, I don't think he will use an isolationist philosophy but I think he will do exactly what he said he would do. All actions forgein and domestic will be for the benefit of America putting America first. Look at the Iran deal Obama pooed out of the White House----how does that benefit America?
 
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I have a question: Does any one know how to stop these auto correct and spell checker programs for waiting till you post something then change everything in transit? I have noticed it a lot since I upgraded my software. Now I can write out something about a tree and when it's published it reads like the Gettysburg address.
 

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"All actions forgein and domestic will be for the benefit of America putting America first."

That is exactly what I am getting at... that is protectionism. It has been happening more and more throughout the years and that is part of the reason that the U.S. economy is the way it is.

Lets take a look at softwood lumber. (I'll try to condense this by using point form.)

- Americans want U.S. builders to use American softwood to build with.

- American builders don't prefer U.S. softwood over Canadian softwood because it is "softer and easier to build with... plus, they can bet a higher quality material for a lower cost.

- American lumber industry lobbyists, lobby the U.S Gov't. to impose higher tariffs.

- As a result, the American Gov't imposes higher tariffs.

- The cost of Canadian lumber is now higher for American builders, because Canadian lumber exporters recoup that additional cost through higher pricing in the U.S.

- The higher cost does nothing to slow down the demand, because the builders still buy the Canadian lumber.

- At the same time, Canada imposes higher tariffs on imported American goods to offset the higher import duties that were imposed on Canadian softwood exports to the States.

- Then the American Govt't retaliates by imposing higher import duties on product "x" entering the U.S.

- And thus a vicious cycle of trade wars ensues and the only people to gain by it are the lawyers.

- In the end, it reduces trade on both sides of the border and we both loose, in our economies, as purchasers of these products, and and in business expansion.

- So, as a result, U.S AND Canadian producers seek and find buyers all over the globe, and the closest trading partners to one another do less and less trade as time goes by.

The thing that Americans have to remember is that Canada is a resource based economy... we can trade all over the globe because nations always want raw materials. The American economy is more reliant on producing products and exporting them... producers have to buy resources from somewhere to produce their goods; this reliance automatically causes a trade deficit that the U.S. Gov't tries to correct by making other countries buy their products at ever increasing values. Because Canada has 1/10th the population that the U.S. has, there is no possible way that we can consume the same amount of trade as we export, so the imbalance is inherent right from the start. Plus, I can buy a Chinese made product that is similar to the American product for a fraction of the cost... which would you buy?

So here we go with protectionism from the consumers end, because I see Canadian producers getting a raw deal:

When I go to the market and I look at tomatoes, I see Canadian, Mexican, and American tomatoes for sale. Like any countryman would, I buy Canadian first even though it's more expensive, I choose the Mexican tomatoes second, because they are the cheapest (if there aren't any Canadian tomatoes), and if I have no choice left, only then do I buy ONE American produced tomato for ONE lunch, because the next time I go to the store there will either be either a Canadian tomato or a Mexican tomato... all because of American protectionism.
 

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I have a question: Does any one know how to stop these auto correct and spell checker programs for waiting till you post something then change everything in transit? I have noticed it a lot since I upgraded my software. Now I can write out something about a tree and when it's published it reads like the Gettysburg address.

I have had the same problem right from the start... so it isn't a recent problem.
 

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To me, this article is written with (what I find to be) clumsy language, so it has to be read carefully. But, it might be easier to understand the full implications for the Trump Administration and Americans as a whole than the bit that I wrote on the topic above.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/trade-protectionism-global-response-1.3940770

In another article released today, it states that the Trump Administration intends on more shale oil and gas drilling, plus implementing the XL pipeline that Obama nixed... personally, I don't see why the U.S. would want to do both. Here is the link to that article, for those who want to read it for themselves.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/world/trump-policy-positions-1.3945317

This last article also states that he intends to either re-negotiate NAFTA or pull out if it. As I have pointed out, re-negotiating NAFTA (imposing protectionism) will hurt both countries, and pulling out of NAFTA will (IMHO) only hasten the producers in both countries to seek markets throughout the world, rather than trading with each other... which, in my view isn't a bad thing for the producers anyway... I'll explain why I think this is true.

Example: Years ago Canada had farm subsidies in place for farmers as a safety net that were largely high-cost inefficiencies that they finally scraped. It revolutionized the farming industry in this country and pushed a great deal of inefficient farms out of business. Now some people might think that this is a really bad thing, but I personally don't think that a business should be subsidized year after year at the burden of the tax payer... IMHO, if it can't float it's own boat, it is a poor business and should be forced to make necessary changes, or stop producing.

So as this pertains to Canadian and U.S. producers, if "we" as trading nations can't see the value in low-cost, cross-border trade with each other, then maybe it's time that we took our dog and pony show on the road to see how valuable our products and commodities are on the world stage...

The laws of supply and demand have vastly changed, even since NAFTA was implemented and perhaps a lot of these businesses aren't really viable in 2017 anyway.

The world has evolved in the time that I have been watching trade agreements, with the "entire world" as a possible player. With container shipping expansion, the Chinese market is probably a far cheaper option than to truck goods from the Southern States, that are produced with a higher per unit cost than the Chinese, Japanese, East Indian, alternatives, and the old American attitude that Canadians and Mexicans can take it in the a$$ and like it, is long past... the state of the American economy is proof of that. The irony in the whole Unites States trade/protectionism position is that it was largely an American company that was the big driver for these changes in America's fortune... that company being Walmart.
 

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How can anyone or any country compete with China's "Penny's per hour wages" and over a Billion workers, not to mention India's 2 Billion coming on Market...???
The USA and Canada will have to make Major Concessions within the Global Market Place in the future, the Near future....
I predict an entirely New Socio-Economic Paradigm to evolve...
America remains the Technological Capital of the World and future Changes may come from this area...
I think for 2017-2018 Pres. Trump will go heavily in the area of Urban Re-development and Infrastructure to create Jobs, that is his Long Suit anyway, building and Construction...after that who knows.
RE Trump Geo Politics I believe USA will re-establish its Global Influence thru a return to its Foreign Policy of the 50's, 60's, 70's...
 

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You can have 3 Billion people working for $1.00 a day but have nothing to produce, and if you do manage to produce something, who has a job or income to afford it? You have to figure out that conundrum before you can continue.
 

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Like I said before, Canada is a resource based economy and through the last 20-30 years have refined their markets already because of American NAFTA dealings (bad dealings). The amount of "production" in Canada (IMHO) would hardly decrease, because instead of shipping North-south, they'd just shift to East-west... the same in the States. The only thing that would still cross the border would be raw materials... but most resources would go to China, Japan, etc.

The thing that Trump has to realize is that there are what, 330 million Americans?... even a fraction of the world population that can "afford" a Canadian made, high-priced product (the few there are), could easily lap up the loss of sales to the U.S. should that be necessary... but the raw materials would always be in demand.

It reminds me of a excerpt of a speech that Prime Minister Chetien delivered just before George senior began to drop the bombs in Iraq... basically he said, "When your the big boy in the sand box, you have to learn how to play nice"... the part that he didn't say was, "not only for the good of the other kids there, but for the benefit of yourself too"...

IMHO, Trump has one chance to get this right, before the rest of the kids in the sand box, pack up their toys and go play with each other somewhere else. The world as a whole has taken enough of the U.S.A.'s bullshit... and they will and already have, been proving it.

I don't like to speak about the U.S. the way I have, but just like P.M. Chretien said, "when you need to have a bad message delivered, most people prefer to hear it from a friend" (paraphrased)... "the average American" needs to remind their politicians, that things could get REALLY bad in the States, if there isn't a shift away from protectionism.
 

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At some point you have to stop the hemorrhaging of jobs that has taken place since the drafting of NAFTA. The last I have heard is that because of all the manufacturing jobs that have left the country we now have an unemployment rate of 85 million jobs, and that does not include the hard core unemployed people that have stoped looking for work. If things keep going the way they are and America fails how long do you think Canada can stand alone?
 

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There is one other part to this too, that Trump may not have taken into account. Just like when Quebec Sepratists were blabbing about taking over the Provincial Government and when they did they were going to separate from Canada, blah, blah, blah... UNTIL, Bombardier spoke up and said, "if Quebec separates from Canada, they will not only leave the province, they would leave the country...

... imagine, what might happen if Trump starts to punish the American businesses that produce goods abroad and then bring them back into the country... imagine the entire Silicon Valley moving to Germany.

That "could" be the result of a protectionist regime.
 

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The American jobs that have gone over-seas have been driven there by the highest tax rates in the modern industrial world. Our country has suffered under a quasi socialist application of government over the last nearly twenty years, more or less. This kind of mixed economy does not work well for long. You can only live on other people's money as long as you don't run out of other people's money. It is like burning up the wood in your orchard for heat then wondering why you don't have any apples to sell. It takes time to burn beyond the owner's ability to produce apples from other sources before the owner can no longer make a living by selling apples. We have gotten to that point.
 

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The American jobs that have gone over-seas have been driven there by the highest tax rates in the modern industrial world. Our country has suffered under a quasi socialist application of government over the last nearly twenty years, more or less. This kind of mixed economy does not work well for long. You can only live on other people's money as long as you don't run out of other people's money. It is like burning up the wood in your orchard for heat then wondering why you don't have any apples to sell. It takes time to burn beyond the owner's ability to produce apples from other sources before the owner can no longer make a living by selling apples. We have gotten to that point.

SKBoWrote.. imagine, what might happen if Trump starts to punish the American businesses that produce goods abroad and then bring them back into the country... imagine the entire Silicon Valley moving to Germany.

That "could" be the result of a protectionist regime.


You think business is being punished, that's not what's happening it is quite the opposite. Trump wants to reduce taxes down to no more than 15%, not the 35% we currently have. This will attract business. I am not sure how NAFTA impacts all of this but Trump wants to renegotiate it not get rid of it.
 

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To Vance Wood:

And you will have to take the consequences in your ever shrinking fenced off little ex-superpower who hates, but above all fears everything that doesn't match the tiny little idea of the world of your new elected con-man-in-chief ;)

Your USA will rub its "great again" navel while we are exchanging with the rest of the world. All right, wankers.

What bothers me is that you will pollute the whole earth because you don't care a shit about the rest of the world. You gun-toting lot of sheep are just leading the rest of us into chaos and destruction. I don't like it.

Will you care about those who will die from commonly cured diseases because your boss, the son of a millionaire, has lured fools into thinking that he will "make America great again"? And suppress "Obamacare" so that the other half won't be able to afford it: what a low, disgusting, selfish decision. More inequalities, the rich will inherit.

OK, money rules, so let's make and deal meth to buy medicine to cure cancer like in "Breaking Bad"


His aggressive (and quite stupid) stance against the rest of the world just shows how paranoid, frustrated he is.

Bossism is something that was a rotten form of "democracy" in US history. Apparently, a majority (less from 50% of the popular votes - crooked system) have voted for a new "boss". "Hail to our new master" they say.

Live with your paranoia, your guns, your dollar (*), your fear of the immigrants.

Here, in "Old Europe", free from your poodle, England, we'll be happy. You don't like us ? We don't need you. We've got friends.

http://www.rdb45.fr/

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your dollar (*) :

The U.S. debt to China is $1.115 trillion, as of October 2016. That's 29 percent of the $3.841 trillion in Treasury bills, notes, and bonds held by foreign countries. The rest of the $19.9 trillion debt is owned by either the American people or by the U.S. government itself.

https://www.thebalance.com/u-s-debt-to-china-how-much-does-it-own-3306355
 
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