The Burn Pile. Newbie Graduation.

Discussion in 'New to Bonsai' started by sorce, Jan 7, 2017.

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What is easier for a newb to keep alive?

  1. A local tree dug in spring.

    23 vote(s)
    76.7%
  2. A Juniper with new growth, recieved as a gift in winter.

    7 vote(s)
    23.3%
  1. sorce

    sorce Pokemon Go Master

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    Let's face it Newbs....

    There comes a day when Everyone who will ever take this seriously realizes their material is terrible.

    S- shaped anything, anything with painted green moss, glued rocks, anything in a pot with an attached drip tray, 90% of Fukien Tea's, every Walmart ficus, anything that came with an ID tag that reads "bonsai", and anything that ever came within 3ft, (1M) of a rock that reads, "peace", "hope", etc...., 75% of van/streetside purchased material...

    It's a waste of time, and sometimes even a detriment to better material...

    Surely as applied to your level of confidence.

    See Poll.

    Even with little or no experience, a local tree you dig yourself will be easier to care for than any mass produced "bonsai", stuck in clay, already half dead.

    Not only that, but if you chose wisely, it can offer you a leap forward in terms of qualities actually desireable for bonsai....like a fat trunk, good root spread.

    So......

    Rather than be embarassed that you may have, or have started with a "stick-in-a-pot".....
    Rather than stay in the frustrating world of following the "bonsai man's" advice....
    Or worse.....
    Keeping them alive yourself, or selling them, or any other manner of keeping them in circulation....

    I want to help you celebrate your enlightenment on your path to better bonsai....

    By offering this thread to post pics and videos of you burning that crappy tree.

    Smash an electric blue pot with an attached drip tray.

    Snap a stick.

    Feel free to @anyone you feel needs to Graduate.

    Couple of you know I'm itching to @you...
    Don't make me do it...

    Someone kick it off.....

    Need a better reason?

    The more creative you get.....
    The more creative I'll get with getting our community to help get better material in your hands.

    A lot of generous folks came out of the woodwork offering prizes for the Contest, maybe some of those folks will be willing to send Graduation gifts.
    Books, Cuttings, old tools, magazine subscriptions, etc....

    As it stands....
    If I get impressed, I can probly get a care package out by spring.

    Welcome to Crazy righteous.
    Fat trunks and small leaves.

    So long to Crazy insane.
    Caring for half dead plants with lies for care instructions.

    Flick your Bic.

    Sorce
     
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  3. sorce

    sorce Pokemon Go Master

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  4. Dalmat

    Dalmat Mame

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    You came in too late, for me. I'm afraid, I'm the lost case.

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  5. Starfox

    Starfox Chumono

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    Someone has to I guess. Freshly liberated to the compost heap but I can burn it a bit later on if need be.

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  6. aml1014

    aml1014 Masterpiece

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    I'm in, this was my first awful attempt at a phoenix graft with elms. Burned 20170107_073500.jpg 20170107_073533.jpg
    Then stomped on several times 20170107_073847.jpg
    Then drop kicked into the back yard 20170107_073907.jpg
    I wanna see if they wake up in spring lmao

    Aaron
     
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  7. Culper Woodhull

    Culper Woodhull Yamadori

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    I'm hanging in there with my Fukien Sorce! But I just took a trek through my local state land to look for some young saplings. Next time I get out I'm going to bring some orange flags to mark off some Elms or Oaks.
     
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  8. sorce

    sorce Pokemon Go Master

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    Nice!

    About 7,428 more, and you'll have a manageable collection:p!

    Sorce
     
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  9. sorce

    sorce Pokemon Go Master

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    Have confidence with elms.

    An oak large enough to collect and make a bonsai in a reasonable amount of time will be more difficult to succesfully collect.
    Practice with crap ones first!

    Awesome!

    Sorce
     
  10. Carol 83

    Carol 83 Shohin

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    One of my contributions to the bonsai Gods. I would burn it, but it's not worth getting cold for.. dead tree.jpg
     
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  11. aml1014

    aml1014 Masterpiece

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    You'd be surprised to hear that I've sold over a dozen trees in the last 10 days on the Facebook auction pages. I'm aiming for 100-150 tree collection range, at least for now.

    Aaron
     
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  12. Vance Wood

    Vance Wood Imperial Masterpiece

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    What is easier for a newb to keep alive?
    1. A local tree dug in spring.
    2. A Juniper with new growth, recieved as a gift in winter.
      Your poll did not include the proper amount of choices. Of the two neither one is easy to keep alive.
     
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  13. milehigh_7

    milehigh_7 Masterpiece

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    If I had all of em I had killed and burned them at the same time, I would be to blame for global warming personally.
     
  14. Crabman

    Crabman Seed

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    Is the contest still open? I received a juniper stick in a pot that I suspect was dead when I received it for christmas this year. I tried putting it in a shed for the few really cold days, and have had it in the sun on the mild days. The branch tips are starting to fade. I'd gladly run it over with my Honda Civic as long as you don't tell my sister.
     
  15. sorce

    sorce Pokemon Go Master

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    Up the ante.

    Burn the Civic!

    Sorce
     
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  16. Bonsai Nut

    Bonsai Nut Administrator

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    Ok Sorce I'm gonna call bullshit on this one... because it is a false argument :)

    The question isn't (for a newb) which tree is easier to keep alive. The question should be (in my opinion) which tree will launch the recipient on a lifelong journey of enjoyment/appreciation of bonsai. If you gift someone a tree and it dies... but it ignites a passion for bonsai in the recipient, I view it as a "win". In fact, I would almost argue that the first bonsai you give anyone should be expected to die... because then there is no guilt and it puts someone on the path to bonsai enlightenment :)
     
  17. milehigh_7

    milehigh_7 Masterpiece

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    The contest is always open at my house...
     
  18. milehigh_7

    milehigh_7 Masterpiece

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    Nut, you may have a point there...
     
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  19. sorce

    sorce Pokemon Go Master

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    Correct!

    And this is OK!

    That is what Newbs need to know!

    I don't want people to give up.

    The way I see it...
    Civilians expect their "bonsai", from Wal-Mart or a gift shop, to work, same as a clock would, or an ashtray that reads "California".

    Why wouldn't the "instructions" work?
    (keep by window, water once a week, scrub the "peace" rock)

    Folks expect the instructions to work same as the ones for their particle board PC desk. ( PC meaning ML is under it!)
    Think cigars!

    So when the simple instructions don't work for them.....
    They don't feel they can go out and "build a whole desk from scratch".
    Or....dig a wild tree!

    Now folks can see that it IS easier to dig and keep a wild tree. (generally)

    So they don't give up when their gift dies!
    Especially when failure with them is nearly imminent.

    You bringing this up, and in this manner, makes it work so much better.
    I had to just post the question without much more to get honest answers.

    Just as these posts.....
    We are on the same page....
    Now when I post this....I hope it isn't on the next page!

    Sorce
     
  20. Nwaite

    Nwaite Chumono

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    I'm going to show you how to get ride of a junk tree to night my friends . ..

    I'm getting giddy just thinking about it.
     
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  21. M. Frary

    M. Frary Imperial Masterpiece

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    I have a pile of dead bonsai out back.
    Not a little one either. I would ignite it and take a picture for you guys but the flames would be so large the fire department would probably show up.
    Killing trees isn't just for newbies.
     
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