No, because he kept it on topic, which you failed to do. You see , he talked about the actual subject, while you are just talking about me. See the difference?Will you only feel that the post was intelligent because he may be agreeing with you.
And I will continue to post such every time someone questions my qualifications or attempts to suggest that I do not "do bonsai" which is foolish and untrue as well.Congratulations on repeating all of your accomplishments verbatim from every other thread on here.
You are mistaken, I have done this often, at Bsite, KoB, and even here on this forum. I do this as well in my classes.I never see you offer advice from initial styling. You offer refinement but never do you take the challenge to step up and tell someone what to do with raw stock.
The truth is I respond, for example, see if you can find out where any arguments on this thread started. Like your insults here, I did not attack you, you attacked me, and yet because I respond, I'm browbeating you? Get real, grow up, if you can't stand the heat, stop touching the fire. The reason this crap doesn't happen on AoB and KoB, as well as on Bsite, IBC, IBF, CB, and TB is because such attacks on a person are not allowed. If Al, or Chris tried their crap on any of these forums, they'd be gone, and they know it. Your insulting and off topic thread above would be deleted and you'd be warned once and once only. Trying to say I started it would be laughable. Truthfully this crap happens on this forum because it is allowed to happen, it escalated because I respond.You browbeat people and act like a jerk the majority of the time on this forum yet seem to never step out of line on YOUR forums. Why is that?
Maybe because you know your nothing without Robert Steven's support
And yet, here you are, talking about anything but.
And here is more meaningless drivel.
Contrary to what you and Weird Al would like to believe, no, desperately want to believe, I also actually do bonsai with my hands. Three first place ribbons, two second place, and one third place ribbon at local shows, one first place awarded by William Valavanis himself. I have over 500 trees in the ground and a hundred more in various stages of development. I do not buy pre-bonsai, nor do I buy bonsai that have all ready been designed. I do not hire others to do my designing, growing, maintenance, or care. I do not hold this against others who choose to do so, as long as they do not act like they are responsible for the outcome of their bonsai. Checkbooksai is just not the way I want to do bonsai, but others can take their own path, just don't devalue mine.
Besides bonsai, which I have shown on at least four bonsai forums, including this one, I also study bonsai and bonsai history, I currently teach introduction to bonsai classes at a local community college, I give workshops and demos at our All State Show every year for the last three years.
I helped to launch two serious bonsai forums (more like on-line magazines) that have received high praise from some of the most advanced people in bonsai and which are the only non-commercial bonsai forums on the net. On KoB we created the only collection of bonsai professionals blogs, and a who's who in bonsai that anyone can use for free to find headliners for their shows and events. On AoB we created the webs only collection of galleries and interviews by some of the best artists of our time.
I have created Internet bonsai contests that are without a doubt the best on the web and which have set records for participants, prizes, and entries, that no other bonsai contest has ever matched.
To add more, I write articles about bonsai, many of which have been published in some of the most premiere bonsai publications in the world and some have been translated into three languages. I am currently editing a book for one of the best bonsai artists of our time and I am in the middle of completing a book on bonsai that covers (withheld for now).
So, you see, I do far more than just actually do bonsai with my hands, I contribute to the bonsai community every day.
Oh yeah, I have about five years in bonsai, what's your excuse?
So you, Al, and others can continue to whine, cry and throw little hissy fits, like you have for the last four years. Its never hurt me, never slowed me down, and hasn't accomplished a damn thing. I have listen to you and people like you complain when my articles get published, when a contest is successful, when a award is wion, when anything succeeds, when I post trees, when I don't, when I post, and when I don't. I have seen the Will bashing threads at BT, and I watch you and those like you flock in to threads such as this, which you had nothing to say in, just to toss jabs at me, PM moderators to complain, write letters, bitch and moan and guess what?......Four years later and I'm still getting published, I'm still invited to teach and speak, I am an editor at two forums and a moderator at another, my book is doing well, AoB and KoB are still up, who's who has been launched, we were at the first National Exhibition as sponsors, and we will be at the World Bonsai Convention this July, as sponsors.
Oh yeah, and after my few years in the art, my bonsai are also doing quite well.
(What this forum needs is a Trunk Monkey so we can keep on topic and get rid of the master baiters and trouble makers)
Living the dream,
Will
Will these are not linked on page 6-8 and I doubt any other of this thread, The problem with having any sought of sensible discusion with you is forgone by having to wade through the crap.
The subject of this thread is superthrive, not me. Do you have anything intelligent to add to the discussion? Okay, even something non-intelligent that is on topic?Wow Will, that was a good laugh...thanks for that. You skirted my original question
You implied that I did not actually do bonsai, in response I said I did and also listed everything else I did that revolves around bonsai and the bonsai community. I know it makes you green all over...But I understand, you needed to throw out your resume once again. Thats cool, I know it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy.
And yet another attack or two, Jason, I have been told differently by much more experienced people than yourself, you'll forgive me if I go with those who actually have the experience to judge such things?Having 500 trees in the ground means nothing, anyone can do that. Its what you do with them that counts. So far no one has seen anything. Just like the trees you post, they are nothing either, I have seen a few descent trees but nothing great or even good. Every article you have written that I am aware of is the same stuff that has been said before. You aren't a literati inventor and the content has been written before.
Thank you, but don't forget paid to write them And don't for a second believe I just repeat what I have read before, untruths such as these make you look a little foolish my friend.Sure you are published, thats cool good for you. That means you are book smart, can repeat what you have read before, put it on paper and submit to bonsai magazines that are in desperate need of articles anyways.
Yep, been there, done that, got the t-shirt.You gotta remember Will, I know how these things work, and I have been approacthed to submit an article to the BIGGEST magazine....
Thanks again.You have your place in bonsai, I commend you for co founding AoB, Kob, that is cool and I know people enjoy looking at them.
That was less than 5 years, thanks.And for 6 years in bonsai that isn't bad....
Thanks, I think so. Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.You told him to research it...wow that was great advice.
From Myself
Yes we have been going around in circles that is your fault not mine to solve this I am taking this one fact at a time.
So If we are to move onto the sprouting issue let us be clear on were we are with Auxin as a pesticide.
1) Auxin is very versitile and can be used as a pesticide and herbicide. There is no reason why we should not use it for root regeneration because of this.
2) Superthrive contains auxin as Naphthalene Acetic Acid. Dip"N"Grow(that Will recomends to use in stead of Superthrive) contains auxin as Naphthalene Acetic Acid. As do many of the rooting hormones.
So we can not state that superthive should not be used because it contains Naphthalene Acetic Acid as auxin.
Once we clarify this piont I will address the sprouting issue.
Will you jump straight past the facts and spend your time dribbling bull.You suggested that The Auxin used in Superthrive is listed as a pesticide. It was suggested to you that the auxin in the product you suggested contained the same Auxin. It has also been suggested that being registed as a pesticide gives no reason to stop using it.
Your lack of response denotes the fact that you have no idea what you are talking about and would rather just argue about yourself. You state you want to stick to the facts but as soon as they are presented you run a mile.
Will you only feel that the post was intelligent because he may be agreeing with you. Congratulations on repeating all of your accomplishments verbatim from every other thread on here. I just want to say this. everything you mentioned boils down to being decent with computers and being able to parrot what you've read. I never see you offer advice from initial styling. You offer refinement but never do you take the challenge to step up and tell someone what to do with raw stock. You browbeat people and act like a jerk the majority of the time on this forum yet seem to never step out of line on YOUR forums. Why is that? Maybe because you know your nothing without Robert Steven's support and understand he would never allow you to act like a spoiled child. There are other opinions than yours Will and most people got along fine in Bonsai before ever hearing of you and will if they never do. You demand all this respect yet refuse to give any of your own. Pretty sad for what may be a talented individual (if you ask him).
The above reason is exactly why I will keep this one subject as a time so you don't get lost.However, what you skipped past once again is that the auxin you defend in superthrive is USED TO PREVENT SPROUTING ON TREES and I mentioned that I thought that it wasn't wise for a bonsaists to dowse their bonsai with it.
What do you call this VanceBy Vance
So let me sum up this whole thing. SuperThrive is good because Will Heath is and a$$ #ol@. That makes a lot of sense?---but that is essentially what the argument has turned into. And still, those of you are passionate about SuperThrive have not provided the research to prove that it is what it is claimed to be.
Enhanced Seedling Root Development in Eight Conifer Species Induced by Naphthalene Acetic Acid
D. A. SEABY and C. SELBY
Department of Agriculture Newforge Lane, Belfast, BT9 5PX, Northern Ireland
Seedlings of eight conifer species, Pinus contorta, Pinus sylvestris, Pinus nigra, Larix kaempferi, Picea abies, Picea sitchensis, Pseudotsuga, nenziesii and Abies grandis, were treated with auxin, in pot and nursery experiments. Dilute solutions of naphthalene acetic acid (NAA) were applied at two treatment times, just before and just after cotyledon expansion. Lateral root numbers were increased by up to 20 times on responsive species. Sensitivity varied considerably, the three pine species showing a much greater response than the two species of spruce. In most cases the mean number of induced roots increased steadily with increasing auxin concentration. Forest nursery results showed that NAA could provide an inexpensive method for stimulating lateral root formation near the soil surface. Practical nursery aspects of treatment are briefly discussed.
Lateral root numbers were increased by up to 20 times on responsive species.
Will has documented articles that state one ingredient of superthrive is of no use.
He has not given ANY documented studies/proof that show the other active ingredient in Superthrive Auxin is no use in bonsai horticulture. In effect he has addressed this issue not about Superthrive but about B1 and has addressed the facts of auxin with his own conclusions or opinion. He uses his article on B1 to claim Superthrive is snake oil. That article does not address Auxin in Superthrive.
After discussing the documented proof about the auxin being used as a pesticide you make no claim that gives any reason not to use it?The auxin in superthrive is a registered pesticide and is also used to prevent sprouting on trees.
What do you call this Vance
Will has documented articles that state one ingredient of superthrive is of no use.
He has not given ANY documented studies/proof that show the other active ingredient in Superthrive Auxin is no use in bonsai horticulture. In effect he has addressed this issue not about Superthrive but about B1 and has addressed the facts of auxin with his own conclusions or opinion. He uses his article on B1 to claim Superthrive is snake oil. That article does not address Auxin in Superthrive.
Just so you understand Mr. Wood, An untruthful statement about a person/company or wishing harm to a person/company that harms that person's/company's reputation in the community is Slander.
Yep that was pretty funny. I still stand by those words. It is predictable that you would use this instead of discussing how you disregard the facts that I have presented all through this thread that prove my introduction to my argumentYour words in red.
I would suggest that I have the most documentation. I dare you to count the documented proof of Wills against mine in our discussions on Auxin in superthrive and it's benifitsyou at least had some documentation