London

[AlainK]

Paris, Brussels (exactly one year ago, probably not a coincidence), Orlando, Istanbul,...

Hatred and bigotry without borders.

My thoughts are with the victims and their families.

I organised school trips for nearly 30 years, mostly to Britain. I just passed the torch to my colleagues last year for several reasons, but I've always thought that giving the opportunity to young people to meet other teenagers abroad was a step to a better understanding of the "others". And in Britain, those of my kids who were in a British-Pakistani, or British-Jamaican, or British-Indian family were always treated as a member of the family.

The UK is the only European country (future ex-European country) that has a strict control of its borders (notes from a small island). so much for the "wall policy".

This show how a tiny minority of "self-victimized" people can lead a large section of the population to hate "others".

Unfortunately, I'm afraid this will lead to ore tensions between people, like the Brexit did.

Cheesy soundtrack maybe, but that's what I like to listen to in such circumstances:

 

[just.wing.it]

This show how a tiny minority of "self-victimized" people can lead a large section of the population to hate "others".

Sounds like the modern day democrat party.

This is not gonna "lead to more tensions between people"....
It might lead to people coming to their senses with regard to Radical Islamists, who are not people, they are subhumans.

 

[AlainK]

Radical Islamists, who are not people, they are subhumans.

I don't agree with that.

Calling people "subhumans", however we revile them, is putting ourselves on the same level.

It's the same kind of "rethorics" that extremists whether they're evangelists, jewish or muslim "promote": if you are not with us, like us, you're not a human being, you're an animal.

As an animal, you can be sacrificed. All religions suck: the bigots (I mean those who take for truth what was written 2,00 years ago, or theit Imam, or their Guru, or their preacher says) will go to heaven, but it's basically hatred in this world. Proud tobe stupid.

Some people hate those who don't have the same hocus-pocus vision of the world. Racism, which is the best-shared attitude in the world.

Hatred without frontiers is not a good way for mankind to get over IMO.

(And I do believe all religions suck)

 

[just.wing.it]

Rhetoric is not equal to murder.
Even if you "believe" it is.
That's where you're wrong....
A duck is a duck is a duck, sir.

 

[AlainK]

I've always thought that giving the opportunity to young people to meet other teenagers abroad was a step to a better understanding of the "others".

And reducing Trump supporters to racist, sexist crooks or our friends from a different culture or religion (though all religion suck, but what can you do when you've been formated into believing crap from the cradle? It's hard to get a modicum of freedom of thought when you've been shaped into a bigot from an early age).

But as a human being, I'll always try to try and teach what i've always found wherever I went: friendship, fraternity, love.

Travelling broadens the mind, not only for the traveller, but also for the people you meet.

 

[AlainK]

Come on, "just.wing.it", have you ever been abroad?

 

[AlainK]

Rhetoric is not equal to murder.
Even if you "believe" it is.
That's where you're wrong....

Apparently, you didn't get what I meant.

Biased "Rhetorics" lead to mass murder, that's what I meant.

Islamists, trumpetters, all the same : lies = hatred => murdering innocent people.

No?

 

[Vance Wood]

I don't agree with that.

Calling people "subhumans", however we revile them, is putting ourselves on the same level.

It's the same kind of "rethorics" that extremists whether they're evangelists, jewish or muslim "promote": if you are not with us, like us, you're not a human being, you're an animal.

As an animal, you can be sacrificed. All religions suck: the bigots (I mean those who take for truth what was written 2,00 years ago, or theit Imam, or their Guru, or their preacher says) will go to heaven, but it's basically hatred in this world. Proud tobe stupid.

Some people hate those who don't have the same hocus-pocus vision of the world. Racism, which is the best-shared attitude in the world.

Hatred without frontiers is not a good way for mankind to get over IMO.

(And I do believe all religions suck)

So you believe we should have respect for pieces of walking excrement like this example human debris that just killed a bunch of people? You, Alan are one of the reasons we are having these problems, with an unwillingness to define and recognize for what they are, those who wish to do you ill. I hope you don't have to find this out one day the hard way. It is one thing to have respect for an enmy's ability to kill you and another to have contempt for what the do and what they believe. You would be best served to learn this lesson before someone who does not respect what you believe, even if it is nothing as you claim, and kills you just because you don't believe what they believe. As smart as you are and as intelegent as you claim to be you are close to being a fool.

 

[just.wing.it]

Islamists, trumpetters,

.....are equal in your mind.....
You are wrong.

 

[just.wing.it]

Come on, "just.wing.it", have you ever been abroad?

Not to Europe, but out of the US, yes.
No matter either way....
Abu Izzadeen is a subhuman peice of trash.
And at this moment, he expected to be banging 72 virgins in paradise....but I assure you that Satan is raping him with his thorny penis, in the flames of hell, for eternity.
Which is exactly what all of the Radical Islamist's deserve.

 

[just.wing.it]

So you believe we should have respect for pieces of walking excrement like this example human debris that just killed a bunch of people? You, Alan are one of the reasons we are having these problems, with an unwillingness to define and recognize for what they are, those who wish to do you ill. I hope you don't have to find this out one day the hard way. It is one thing to have respect for an enmy's ability to kill you and another to have contempt for what the do and what they believe. You would be best served to learn this lesson before someone who does not respect what you believe, even if it is nothing as you claim, and kills you just because you don't believe what they believe. As smart as you are and as intelegent as you claim to be you are close to being a fool.

Just the basic left wing crap....a total and complete denial of reality, 24/7.

 

[AlainK]

You, Alan

Vance, my name is Alain, not Alan

human debris

It's good to see that someone like you who's never been out its puny little "Great again america" is actually very "European". Same libels from the religious fascists extremists in Europe :

I know that you totally support those people.

I'll never !

I know what fascism, nazism, stalinism is.

Not because my country sent poor penniless young people to die for a "cause" that in fact was to make the icing on the cake bigger for capitalists, but because we were here in the first place to defend our values, not to make the fat cats get fatter.

And, mind you, I don't hate the Russians, I just despise those anywhere that make money by pulling their pants to any dictator.

 

[LanceMac10]

I have a mega accent, straight outta' central casting for Boston Criminal Movie Of Your Choice.....whenever I travel, in my own country, people get confrontational...

Religion doesn't really suck. But it's more a one to one idea...you lose me when they herd "us" together and ask for money/adhere to certain lifestyle/commit "acts" in the "name of"....these I don't believe.
A lot more people that are "religious" are great human beings. More so than jerks who kill because of "religion".


Since I'm out and about in the yard with @WeeMac now, I have time to talk to the roving religious groups. I'm always respectful, but I do wonder if they are trying to sell me something.....
.......and no, I don't stop drinking my Guinness while I wax poetic with them. Nor my Marlboro.....

Lots of good folk of a religious nature do lots of charitable work for people less fortunate/victim of circumstance....I'm sure if there are some here reading your comments, or mine, they are cringing. And if so, I don't mean offence. But sometimes the kinship I feel for @AlainK shudders like a coat-less gypsy....sometimes I want to reach for my eye-lid....









I was once asked by a very attractive lady...."If you could go anywhere in the world, where would you go.......?"
My response? Without hesitation,(sometimes I pause when answering questions in such a situation, usually they eat it up) "Normandy, France" So, I'm not sure that day is too far off....if I go that far, well shoot, might as well track down @AlainK !!! My spouse went to Paris a couple weeks after the November bullsheet and she loved it! Ireland to...London. I can't remember, really!!
I've always been a cyclist, and never miss a chance to see any race televised from France, it's a beautiful country. But my trees!!!! I don't like to travel!!!

Strong ales, good wine, cheese and charcuterie...cigarettes....bloviating...I look forward to the day we may share a table...




Ooppss...edit: Let's say my response to the lovely lady "swayed her emotions", if you know what I mean...

 

[LanceMac10]

Wow, that took an hour!! I take a lot of breaks....couple edits too...phew!! Can the weather get warm for crying out loud!!!

 

[just.wing.it]

I know what fascism, nazism, stalinism is.

.....the left....
You know the democrat party supported the Soviet Union, you know that.....
Remember when Ted Kennedy convoluted with the Soviets to hurt Ronald Reagan in 1984?
That's who they are.....never changed. Even back in the slavery days, segregation, Jim Crow laws, fire hoses and German Shepards unleashed on the blacks, standing in schoolhouse doors, not allowing minorities to be educated, the kkk....all the democrat party.
The republican party was created to oppose the democrat party and specifically to end slavery.....
Not much has changed, that's why when you see a conservative black Americans, the left refers to them as Uncle Toms, and we say that they left the democrat plantation.....
You're wrong dude.....your side has been kicked to the curb all over the world, since Obama's reign of Islamic terror began.
All I can say to you is, good luck, my totalitarian friend....I hope that when the terrorists come to your door, that you have enough sense to do what needs doing.

 

[AlainK]

Lots of good folk of a religious nature do lots of charitable work for people less fortunate/victim of circumstance....

Yes, you are right.

I used to be a member of the "Young Christian Workers Association" when in my teens, and I still have a few friends who are still into that, and they're very nice, friendly people: they don't hate people because of their culture, they help everyone who needs help.

The people I work with, and my friends, are from different cultures and religions. Some are believers, others are not. Conversations can be heated sometimes, but none of them are "trash" or animals.

Because we live in a secular country.

OK, one can believe in Santa Claus after their fifth birthday, or imagine a world where Adam rides a dinosautr to ^prove Eve that he's the master, and there is no global warming. Why not?

Why not? If it didn't put the rest of us in danger!

Religions suck : they pretend to give 2,000 year-old ready-made solutions to present-day issues.

Stupid, inefficient.

 

[just.wing.it]

Yes, you are right.

I used to be a member of the "Young Christian Workers Association" when in my teens, and I still have a few friends who are still into that, and they're very nice, friendly people: they don't hate people because of their culture, they help everyone who needs help.

The people I work with, and my friends, are from different cultures and religions. Some are believers, others are not. Conversations can be heated sometimes, but none of them are "trash" or animals.

Because we live in a secular country.

OK, one can believe in Santa Claus after their fifth birthday, or imagine a world where Adam rides a dinosautr to ^prove Eve that he's the master, and there is no global warming. Why not?

Why not? If it didn't put the rest of us in danger!

Religions suck : they pretend to give 2,000 year-old ready-made solutions to present-day issues.

Stupid, inefficient.

Who's supporting religion here?
That's not what this about, sir.

 

[Vance Wood]

Yes, you are right.

I used to be a member of the "Young Christian Workers Association" when in my teens, and I still have a few friends who are still into that, and they're very nice, friendly people: they don't hate people because of their culture, they help everyone who needs help.

The people I work with, and my friends, are from different cultures and religions. Some are believers, others are not. Conversations can be heated sometimes, but none of them are "trash" or animals.

Because we live in a secular country.

OK, one can believe in Santa Claus after their fifth birthday, or imagine a world where Adam rides a dinosautr to ^prove Eve that he's the master, and there is no global warming. Why not?

Why not? If it didn't put the rest of us in danger!

Religions suck : they pretend to give 2,000 year-old ready-made solutions to present-day issues.

Stupid, inefficient.

How old is the law of gravity?????? It still applys today even though it really was not discovered as a principle until Newton described it using an apple. Just becasue something is old does not necrssarily mean it's bad or false, or irrelevant..

 

[Paradox]

.....the left....
You know the democrat party supported the Soviet Union, you know that.....
Remember when Ted Kennedy convoluted with the Soviets to hurt Ronald Reagan in 1984?
That's who they are.....never changed. Even back in the slavery days, segregation, Jim Crow laws, fire hoses and German Shepards unleashed on the blacks, standing in schoolhouse doors, not allowing minorities to be educated, the kkk....all the democrat party.
The republican party was created to oppose the democrat party and specifically to end slavery.....
Not much has changed, that's why when you see a conservative black Americans, the left refers to them as Uncle Toms, and we say that they left the democrat plantation.....
.

Read this thread while not logged in. Took you off ignore to respond then putting you back on ignore because I dont want to get dragged into a days long debate with your warped and radical ideology. Thats right, I said radical, because you are off the freaking wall.

However, The quote above is the biggest bunch of bullshit I have ever read in my entire life.
You are so freaking out there with this that I am convinced you'll never find your way back to reality.

Calling people "subhuman" is the epitome of nazism and is the reason why 12 million Jews and others were murdered. So go look yourself in the mirror before you call someone else a racist, bigot, etc, etc.

Terrorists are part of the human race whether you want to acknowlege them or not. That said, I do feel they are the worst kind of human and need to be taken out with impunity and wiped off the face of the earth. Why? Because they have killed thousands of innocent people and it is clear they will not stop until they take over.

Note I said "Terrorists", not muslims as whole. I do not blame an entire religion or culture for what a small proportion of extremists do.

What happened in London is a tragedy and my heart goes out to those families.
Ok Ive said my peace and I am putting you back on ignore.

 

[Cattwooduk]

.....the left....
You know the democrat party supported the Soviet Union, you know that......

And now the old soviets are supporting the republicans, I'm interested to see what the FBI's investigation into Russia's ties with the current presidential administration bring to light. You can call it fake news to suit you, but unless you're going to suggest the CIA/FBI are flaccid intelligence agencies that need to be replaced then it's worth hearing what they end up finding. No doubt you'll say these long standing agencies are somehow run by a bunch of commies or being paid by Obama personally.

The Republicans backed a military coup in Chile which lead to Pinochet's 17 year fascist rule. Examples of either party supporting brutal regimes and/ore military Juntas are easy to find so I don't know what you're point is.
Political support from both parties towards any number of foreign governments on either side of the political spectrum ebbs and flows constantly depending on how it positively effects their interests - I'm guessing you're pretty happy that the Democrats were pretty supportive of Stalin's war effort up until the end of WW2?

You're wrong dude.....your side has been kicked to the curb all over the world, since Obama's reign of Islamic terror began.

Actually the most direct cause of unsettling the middle east and pushing all these terrorist all over the place was a war started by a Republican (Bush Jr.) But to say that would be to reeeaaallly over simplify a pretty complex region and water down a lot of historical reasons for what brought us to where we are today, which is exactly what you're repeatedly doing.

'Your side', 'the left', 'communism'... I've literally never encountered anyone even on the wide wide world of the internet who manages to throw so much obsession and fear of communism into practically every debate and comment they make. It's honestly intriguing to see how you're going to pull it off next.