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I ran across this vid of Wigerts bonsai collecting this beast. Aside from not being able to afford a pot for it down the road, any thoughts on it's suitability for bonsai?
I understand what you are saying but an outstanding trained large bonsai plant is not just a "tree" anymore than a Ferrari is just a "car".For me there is a limit to the size of the bonsai trees. If they are too large then they stop being a bonsai for me. They then are just trees. The live oak is this thread is approaching that limit for me.
Here is an example of one that is no longer bonsai for me. Of course there are many who have different opinion.
I have to agree.If they are too large then they stop being a bonsai for me
I completely agree with this statement. Many years ago I found in some text the reference to larger specimens that were referred to as "bonsai in the ground". I know I am playing the devil's advocate by splitting hairs here, but they are not just "trees". But of course it is all semantics; a personnel definition. Not to say that it has not been clearly been laid forth for centuries that which is defined as penjing or bonsai, but virtually no one holds steadfast to all of the "rules" that have been passed down. All art is living and evolves for better or for worse. If it was that rigid you would have few really interested. Most people have a bit of awe for the art of bonsai (and penjing) whether they are serious practitioners of the art or not. But to others they are just tortured little trees. I would love to look at the bonsai(?) in the video up close but honestly I would also be reluctant to call it a bonsai. Now the trunk of the oak that started this is just plain but ugly to me.I have to agree.
A large containerized tree is not necessarily a bonsai.
I thought Bonsai was supposed to "create an illusion of a large, mature or ancient tree, in miniature."......ain't nothing miniature about a plant that needs to be hoisted by a gantry or a forklift.
My bulging T10-T11 disc is hurting me just thinking about big trees.
Don't get me wrong. I can appreciate the art and the work put into those large bonsai. I'm just saying they lose the bonsai feel for me.I understand what you are saying but an outstanding trained large bonsai plant is not just a "tree" anymore than a Ferrari is just a "car".
Most of the Japanese trees at the National Bonsai and Penjing Museum are large to huge. The Yamaki pine approaches this size, if not equals it. All in all, a containerized large tree is still less than 1/4 the size of most "real" old trees in nature... So, scale is relative. This one, I think, could be made into a pretty nice, huge, HEAVY tree that I wouldn't want to take care of.For me there is a limit to the size of the bonsai trees. If they are too large then they stop being a bonsai for me. They then are just trees. The live oak is this thread is approaching that limit for me.
Here is an example of one that is no longer bonsai for me. Of course there are many who have different opinion.
These are still bonsai to me. As I said, at this size they are approaching the limit. I've seen so called bonsai in pots 20 ft in diameter with 4ft or so trunks. For me those are above the limit.Most of the Japanese trees at the National Bonsai and Penjing Museum are large to huge. The Yamaki pine approaches this size, if not equals it. All in all, a containerized large tree is still less than 1/4 the size of most "real" old trees in nature... So, scale is relative. This one, I think, could be made into a pretty nice, huge, HEAVY tree that I wouldn't want to take care of.
FWIW, this Chinese Elm at my friends bonsai nursery is larger than this live oak.View attachment 248770
Most of the Japanese trees at the National Bonsai and Penjing Museum are large to huge. The Yamaki pine approaches this size, if not equals it. All in all, a containerized large tree is still less than 1/4 the size of most "real" old trees in nature... So, scale is relative. This one, I think, could be made into a pretty nice, huge, HEAVY tree that I wouldn't want to take care of.
FWIW, this Chinese Elm at my friends bonsai nursery is larger than this live oak.View attachment 248770
In the video the she said the tree had been dug a year earlier. This was a repot, not an initial potting.My question... Does anyone know if that stump survive collection? I see no roots on it.
Thanks. I did watch the collecting video a few years ago. Was thinking that is the same vid.In the video the she said the tree had been dug a year earlier. This was a repot, not an initial potting.
Do you have a closer photo of this elm? It looks like an incredible tree!
Here's the tree geting trimmed up.
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Never seen something like this before. Good WorkI ran across this vid of Wigerts bonsai collecting this beast. Aside from not being able to afford a pot for it down the road, any thoughts on it's suitability for bonsai?
any thoughts on it's suitability for bonsai?
Great photo! Thanks for posting. I've known these guys for almost 20 years now. Extremely talented and knowledgeable bonsai folks.Here's the tree geting trimmed up.
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