leatherback
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Yeah,it was an odd discussion and -we were a group of students- really had to push to get it clear he really used broom and zelkova as synonyms!
No, that’s an oak. And a relatively young one at that.what if i told you that this was an oak tree,
you will find older specimens that look like this too. again, its a common form for the majority of deciduous in the landscape.
most deciduous trees start out looking like 'broom's or some sort of variation
as they age they usually grow more trunks/subtrunks in most cases right.
in reality, the classic broom image, is that of a 'younger' tree.
again, i can see why 'informal broom' could be used to describe the majority of deciduous trees in the landscape.
I think you could broaden out the “Zelkova only” rule to invclude other elms. I’ve seen some maples grown in the broom form.To make the whole discussion more complex.. In my school a Japanese master joins classes every once in a while. In spring we discussed the broom style as I had the same question as discussed here. He did not understand the question. (lost in translation). So I pulled an image of an old multi-trunked oak. And asked whether that would be considered a broom. His answer: No, that is not a broom. It is an oak.
Confused?
Yes me too.
We continued and at a certain point he came out with.. broom = zelkova. Only zelkova can become broom. So somewhere in the back of his mind was a direct link to species too. It was an interesting discussion but I still am not at a point where I can decide the difference between an informal opright with scundary trunks, informal brooms.
Not really a broom, there’s two heavy upward branches. A good broom would have lots of thinner branches.This is an interesting thread! Acquired this berberis - I'm interested, would it be classified as a broom, well a broom in training? I know it doesn't yet have lots of smaller branches yet, and it does have a main trunk that runs to the apex, but the branches are diagonal?
Just interested really, always something new to learn on this forum!
Not really a broom, there’s two heavy upward branches. A good broom would have lots of thinner branches.
This is an interesting thread! Acquired this berberis - I'm interested, would it be classified as a broom, well a broom in training? I know it doesn't yet have lots of smaller branches yet, and it does have a main trunk that runs to the apex, but the branches are diagonal?
Just interested really, always something new to learn on this forum!
berberis isnt well suited because it doesnt ramify very well.
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Though Berberis are not recognised as a classic bonsai subject.
hope that helps!
Not exactly. As I posted before, this tree is considered to be a “broom”, but it’s a “center line broom”:I can see the point Bobby is trying to make, but I was under the impression that on a broom style tree all the primary branches would be starting at the same position on the trunk and are more or less equal in size and or thickness.
Like the Zelkova shown before or the trunk chop elm example @markyscott made with the clamp method.
If the branches don't start at the same level on the trunk or a when the primary branches aren't equal in size or thickness it's not a broom, but indeed more leaning towards naturalistic deciduous?
Acer Mikawa broom
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Acer Kashima naturalistic
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What would you say makes this different from a formal upright ?Not exactly. As I posted before, this tree is considered to be a “broom”, but it’s a “center line broom”:
First off, “broom” is a sub-category of formal upright. So, it IS a “formal upright”. Why? Straight trunk, and the apex is centered over the nebari, and there’s no movement.What would you say makes this different from a formal upright ?
indeed!Once you wrap your head around the fact that “broom” is a sub-style of formal upright, it becomes less complicated.