New stock twin trunk quince

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Sure looks like flowering quince (chaenomeles). Nice specimen in either case.

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Sun is a big factor here. I had mine in the ground this yr., in an area with mostly shade, grew only 2' this yr. I'm going to dig up and place in a better locale next spring.

Love to see any updated pics Judy!
 

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I think it is Japanese quince, because fruit never hangs on.
 

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Soon I promise... Just wrapped things up here in Detroit....

That is very nice JKL. As usual...:)
 

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Curious question... I wonder also on these type of trees would a clip and grow process work as well ??? I read where Brian at the beginning of the post suggested wirring and putting alot of bends in. But, wondered, seeing that they appear to have a tendency to grow rather straight, if taking an approach of cutting at various nodes to change direction would help ??? Such as this
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Obviously, not trying to diagree with you Brian, just currious ???
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You are right on the clip and grow....or more accurately, grow and chop...pertaining to the trunk. It's strong growth tendency is great for building a trunk, but lousy for building branches.

If you read that comment on wiring, it was specifically to wire the branches early to get shape, and exaggerate the movement; important because they grow so straight naturally....providing an immature look for a long time. Look at some well-done, older C. Quince branches to see. I have started to grow sacrifice shoots on branches...letting the sacrifice shoots thicken the final branches.

Here is a shot of one of my C. Quinces in the ground, hopefully you can see both the grow and chop trunk-building method, and the sacrifice shoots being used to thicken what will become final branches...really eager to get this one in a pot...but every additional year in the ground exponentially improves the quality. Maybe in 2 more years I'll pot it.
 

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Sorry to stomp on your thread Judy...but Bjorn Bjorholm posted these on his FB page and they seemed relevant here. They are shots from Taikan-Ten, just held in Kyoto. Maybe Bill V. can weigh in on this display of Quince over the different dynasties(?), looks very interesting.
Love the yellow pot...and the tree it's in.
Bjorn Taiken Quince Display.jpgBjorn Taiken Quince 2.jpgBjorn Taiken Quince 3.jpgBjorn Taiken Quince 1.jpgBjorn Taiken Quince 4.jpg

Thanks to Bjorn for posting these!
 

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Here is a shot of one of my C. Quinces in the ground, hopefully you can see both the grow and chop trunk-building method, and the sacrifice shoots being used to thicken what will become final branches...really eager to get this one in a pot...but every additional year in the ground exponentially improves the quality. Maybe in 2 more years I'll pot it.

Brian, can you provide some additional details about the work you've done on this tree? How long have you been growing it in the ground, have you dug it to work on the roots, what is the approximate size of the trunk above the root flare? Very relevant to the quince that I've got developing in the ground. Have you encountered any "issues" with this species that I should be aware of (such as response to chops, healing, etc)?

Chris
 

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Chris,
Yes, it's a project in the works now, and will be ready soon...
Thanks,
BVF
 

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Thanks, looking forward to it!

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Sorry to stomp on your thread Judy...but Bjorn Bjorholm posted these on his FB page and they seemed relevant here.
Thanks to Bjorn for posting these!

No worries, these are really wonderful quince, and something to aim for and aspire to.

Thanks for adding to the discussion.
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Here it is in winter mode.
I'm very happy with the right trunk and the angle and flow on it. The left trunk, I fear, I may have not chopped low enough. I worry that the chop is too obvious, and the branch is angled too much to the left to begin with.
I also don't know if the branches should mirror directions, or reverse and repeat, if you know what I mean.
But it grew a great amount, I had to cut the top 8" of the longest branches, to get it to sit in the greenhouse where it overwinters. The last pic is where it started in the spring after the chop.

I welcome any comments or suggestions.
Thanks for all the interest!
 

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Here it is in winter mode.
I'm very happy with the right trunk and the angle and flow on it. The left trunk, I fear, I may have not chopped low enough. I worry that the chop is too obvious, and the branch is angled too much to the left to begin with.
I also don't know if the branches should mirror directions, or reverse and repeat, if you know what I mean.
But it grew a great amount, I had to cut the top 8" of the longest branches, to get it to sit in the greenhouse where it overwinters. The last pic is where it started in the spring after the chop.

I welcome any comments or suggestions.
Thanks for all the interest!
Judy, as I looked at the first photo what jumped out at me was, can the angle of planting be tilted just a bit to the right? I think this might work wonders visually. The tree seems a little off-balance right now, which makes the left-hand trunk look straighter than it is. All in all, I think this is very nice material and will make a great bonsai in a couple more years.

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Thanks for the suggestion Zach, I'm trying to develop some roots on the left side, but when I do repot it at some point, I'll give that a try. I think that's a very valid idea.
J
 

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Wow Judy, those new branches thickened really fast! Good job!
 

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Thanks Judy, it's coming right along. The trunks are a bit of a dilemma, the left trunk should be a bit shorter, or you'll end up with a taller tree to keep the taper in scale. Either is fine, but if it bugs you now, it's still going to bug you even with 10 years of ramification piled onto it...I'd cut it down to the next shoot, which is emerging to the front (placing the chop on the back). You will get stronger growth next year if its not being repotted, so you kind of know what to expect.

Let me see if I can find some twin trunk examples...
 

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JudyB,

I think Zack's suggestion and a more angled cut at the chop of the left hand trunk may be the answer. I like the overall look and think it will yield a good final image down the line. Of course, if you are not happy now with the left trunk, you may need to think about a lower chop this winter. It might be better to start over this upcoming growing season rather than settle for something you aren't entirely happy with, grow it in to the design for a few more years and then make the change.

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Something else I'd be tempted to do...take your big trunk splitter and split the trunks a bit, just about 1/4 of the way down and spread them out just a little bit with a wedge of wood or dowel. It would add some interest and age to the tachigi and give the right trunk just a bit of movement. Follow the natural divide, just down to the old branch scar, or barely past it...
 
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Something else I'd be tempted to do...take your big trunk splitter and split the trunks a bit, just about 1/4 of the way down and spread them out just a little bit with a wedge of wood or dowel. It would add some interest and age to the tachigi and give the right trunk just a bit of movement. Follow the natural divide, just down to the old branch scar, or barely past it...

I like this idea. Looks good Judy it was definitely a happy plant.
 
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