Shohin Juniperus " PRO" cumbens

Poink88 · Nov 19, 2013

Vance Wood said:
I suppose you are spliting hairs? You did not say that you were specifically better, but you as much implied that it was so, otherwise did you find it necessary to say what you did with the frequency you have found it necessary to repeat it? It is possible that some people can aquire the artistic sikills to accomplish some things in a short amount of time but the question still remains: How did you acquire the skilll you have to do what you have done? It had to come from somewhere.

The thing that pisses me off is the indication that there are some Palm-"F"ing-Olive-Green-Soap beginner people that think bonsaiists like me shoiuld just go away, our contribution means nothing, because they alread know more than we do. Personally I like to know who I am dealing with. I don't get paid to do this, I do it out a love for bonsai, and if I can find those who think my advise is worthless I want to make sure I don't trouble them with it.

How many times did I say before that you are one of the better contributors here (along with Smoke, BVF, rockm, etc.)? Do you want me to search and repost for you? We value your input BUT do not assume that all you say and do is something I or everyone should follow. I am told/taught harshly years ago that my location, weather, style etc, may work for me but not for others. I learned they are correct and know now that same applies to others too...you for instance.

Again, I never implied I am better or as good as you or any other "master". Just that like myself, you and other "masters" still have things to learn. IMHO, for you...maybe to be less sensitive and not put more meaning than what is written by others. It seems like it is you who is splitting hairs.

This is my opinion...whether it is shared by others is unknown and I honestly don't care.

nathanbs · Nov 19, 2013

GO-OK said:
Nice tree, great potential. It is a procumbens......Steve Cratty at plant city bonsai has hundreds sitting waiting to be plucked up, all with adult foliage.

It is an over looked variety, I believe this is also called a Sonar juniper in other regions. There are many nice old specimen around to be found.

As for the other 99% of this thread, save it for face book or some other social media. The jostling back and forth is less tHan becoming for anyone, regardless of experience level, age, talent or intelligence. Have some class.

You guys drive me nuts! This is not procumbens. I just showed several bonsai experts tonight at my local club meeting and they said unequivably no way.

Poink88 · Nov 19, 2013

sawgrass said:
Dario...
Hey let's move on and get back to trees !!!

Yep. This is my last post in this thread.

Thank you.

Smoke · Nov 19, 2013

bonsaibp said:
I think this is an over simplification. Have you ever actually heard this happen or is this second or third hand information? Ben Oki was very supportive and I believe even Ryan says, instrumental in getting Ryan hooked up with Kimura. And if anybody is, he would be the head of that "old lawnmower club". There my be a few old timers who feel that way but that bulk of them are happy there is a new push to improve bonsai. Some may feel they may be too old to learn new tricks but definitely do not put down anybody trying new things, in my experience with them. And they definitely respect Ryan. What they don't like is self promoting showmanship- which is not what people like Ryan, Kathy etc. are doing, but there are some who are.
I'm not saying there aren't people bad mouthing etc. but none of the one's I know have ever done so in my presence and I spend a good bit of time with some of them.

I think the lawnmower club gets a bad rap sometimes. I would have to say lots of that was promoted thru just plain idolization of a guy that they loved and respected, John Naka. Even in the last 5 or 6 years of his life there was already a shift going on in Southern Cal. bonsai. Much of this shift was responsible by guys like the Ishii's, Lindsey Shiba, David Nguy and Ernie Kuo. The newer guard, guys like Peter Macasieb, Luc Dong, Kenny Lam and John Wang, will move the So. Ca. trees to better directions. It just takes time and the effects of trees trading new homes a couple times to get into the right hands.

Many of the old trees from the Lawnmower Club days are pretty good, nothing that 30.00 worth of wire couldn't fix!

Smoke · Nov 19, 2013

Something tells me that this tree is "torulusa" or even possibly "foemina"

That is not procumbens nor shimpaku foliage. Even the juvinile needle foliage is not procumbens.

nathanbs · Nov 19, 2013

sawgrass said:
I opened up my emails and had received this link to
Of Bonsai's web site... with some guy in what looks to
be a decontamination unit, working on a procumbens...

http://ofbonsai.org/galleries/progressions/time-lapse-juniper-procumbens

So am I stubborn to say that the scale foliage on the tree in the video is much shorter and more compact then the foliage on yours? Same goes for the Ben Oki trees much shorter and tighter. I never seen long leggy mature foliage on a procumbens. But who knows when this day started I didn't recall ever seeing scale foliage on a procumbens so maybe by the time I go to bed I will agree with you

johng · Nov 20, 2013

Sorry Sawgrass, and others, but this is definitely not procumbens nana...not even close. It is a decent start on a tree though. My guess is what Nathan said...prostrata...very common nursery plant in the southeast. I think you will figure it out in time when you can't get the foliage to compact.

John

lordy · Nov 20, 2013

GO-OK said:
Nice tree, great potential. It is a procumbens......Steve Cratty at plant city bonsai has hundreds sitting waiting to be plucked up, all with adult foliage.

It is an over looked variety, I believe this is also called a Sonar juniper in other regions. There are many nice old specimen around to be found.

As for the other 99% of this thread, save it for face book or some other social media. The jostling back and forth is less tHan becoming for anyone, regardless of experience level, age, talent or intelligence. Have some class.

One of the "procumbens nana" from Plant City showed up at my club meeting last week. SO Different from Procumbens nana that Stevie Wonder could tell. Awesome material that Steve Cratty calls his "monster junipers", and for the price, a good deal if you dont have to pay for shipping.
As far as the other 99% of this thread goes, I look at it as entertainment. Facebook? No thanks.

ABCarve · Nov 20, 2013

You all can call it what you like.....it don't matter none. I call it a nice bonsai for a start.

Nybonsai12 · Nov 20, 2013

You are all wrong. It's a ficus. I know this because I am a bonsai master. I apprenticed under Master Yu Tubera.

cascade · Nov 20, 2013

I say it's a Parsoni juniper, definetly not a procumbens. Here are pics of my older and mature procumbens foliage:

Parsoni foliage:

Best,
Dorothy

cascade · Nov 20, 2013

Nybonsai12 said:
You are all wrong. It's a ficus. I know this because I am a bonsai master. I apprenticed under Master Yu Tubera.

Hahahahaha!!!

cascade · Nov 20, 2013

Pulled pork

Vance Wood said:
... Let's put some meat on the table instead of boasting.

Berkshire Heritage, ready to cook and smoke..

-Dorothy

\PS Best pulled pork meat I ever tasted!

lordy · Nov 20, 2013

cascade said:
Berkshire Heritage, ready to cook and smoke..

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-Dorothy

\PS Best pulled pork meat I ever tasted!

Looks Great! I was JUST this morning talking with a friend in my office about his need for some Wicked Good lump charcoal for his upcoming twin-turkey Thanksgiving smoke-a-thon. Then he said he was going to do a goose for Christmas dinner. All this cooking talk is making me hungry!

nathanbs · Nov 20, 2013

sawgrass said:
I think you are just being silly....
I have both torulusa and fomenia, and know the difference.

i agree that its not torulusa(hollywood) or foemina. Smoke you should stick to tridents

amcoffeegirl · Nov 20, 2013

Pics of other procumbens foliage. I think this is what most people are used to seeing. Mine still have juvenile foliage.

ABCarve · Nov 21, 2013

Nybonsai12 said:
You are all wrong. It's a ficus. I know this because I am a bonsai master. I apprenticed under Master Yu Tubera.

Is that the guy you know from Brazil?

Nybonsai12 · Nov 21, 2013

No different guys, they were friends at one point. But master Yu thought he knew everything about monkeys and monkey guy thought he knew everything about bonsai. It's a shame if they would have just shut up and listened to each other they could have gone a long way by opening the first monkey ran bonsai nursery. Truly a shame about their egos.

lordy · Nov 21, 2013

nybonsai12 said:
no different guys, they were friends at one point. But master yu thought he knew everything about monkeys and monkey guy thought he knew everything about bonsai. It's a shame if they would have just shut up and listened to each other they could have gone a long way by opening the first monkey ran bonsai nursery. Truly a shame about their egos.

8oO >>>>>>>>>

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