For Al - The Trident

Al,
[ said in a very peaceful voice ]

here is another image of the tree. This would be 2009, I think.
The other image has the measuring tape.
Good Day
Anthony

and what was the time frame from seedling to this?

Anthony said:

Al,
[ said in a very peaceful voice ]

here is another image of the tree. This would be 2009, I think.
The other image has the measuring tape.
Good Day
Anthony

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Whats your point? That looks like any other trident maple I have seen. I have no clue what this has to do with anything. I have no clue what the other thread is even for. Maybe there is a language barrier or something.

First I think you need to establish with the readers of the forum just what it is you measure.

You measure at the spread at the soil, the trunk at the waist, which is what most people want to know. Show what you started with and how you got to a 2" to 3" in six months. Did you grow only one? Have a field full? Whats the deal?

You wish to have a discussion here but you want it all on your terms and you wish to decide how the information is diseminated. Good luck with that.


Heres four for you to think about......

Jason,

it was brought down from the UK in 94 and it passed away in 2010.
Good Day
Anthony

Al,
[ said in a quiet voice ]

it made the trunk size in a few months. After that as far as I know all the effort was in learning how to keep to healthy and we failed.

Boy do you like to argue. First, I never grew the tree, then it could not have that trunk size, and now you find something else, where do you end?

3" is the size of trunk, we use for 15" tall trees, and can fit in the refrigerator, with the other trees.

Or is it that we can grow a 3" trunk in a few months and you cannot?

Remember the Bonsai Today articles?
As I also told you we do not cross 93 deg.F for more than hour and 86 or lower can be our normal, not 108 deg.F
Good Day
Anthony

Anthony said:

Jason,

it was brought down from the UK in 94 and it passed away in 2010.
Good Day
Anthony

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Told you Nathen, 1994. Missed death by a year.

I smell a time machine.....

I am not understanding something here. This tree was bought as a whip in 1994 and you grew it since that time in your climate. But you are saying the trunk grew three inches in a few months, or the nebari spread grew 3 inches in a few months? What happened during the few months you are referencing and what happened outside of those few months from 1994 til present?

Perhaps grown without a dormancy in his area so rapid growth?

Perhaps he is saying this particular tree had a rapid growth anomaly like gigantism. Perhaps that's why it was a challenge to keep alive?

Nybonsai12 said:

I am not understanding something here. This tree was bought as a whip in 1994 and you grew it since that time in your climate. But you are saying the trunk grew three inches in a few months, or the nebari spread grew 3 inches in a few months? What happened during the few months you are referencing and what happened outside of those few months from 1994 til present?

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If it looks like BS and it smells like BS then it probably is. He may have been talking millimeters, so I will reserve judgement. Remember he said he didn't grow it. The "K" guy grew it. He's the same guy Jack bought the magic beans from.

Ny,

the trunk grew to 3" in a few months. The tree was firstly grown as a normal tree, under the shade of a Flacourtia tree and after a few years, entered the winter in the fridge cycle.
Our climate, will cool to 70 deg.F from say 6 p.m to 8 or 9 a.m in the months of sometimes as early as October, but normally November and the trident maple responds to shorter days, then the cooler weather.
[ Pot was a 2 gallon and the basic soil we use for all the trees]

By January 21st or so, it is ready to enter the fridge. It never gets the autumn colour, but the leaves drop.
The coolness is enhanced by placing the tree in the north side of the house, and the stone of the house walls continue to cool the air all day long. The north side of the house is in shade from October until the 26th of February.

Tree was removed from the fridge around April 1st and then buds out in May.

Never experienced leaf burn as reported from Miami.

We have no heatwaves, and mild humidity, even with heavy rainfall, the humidity rarely crosses 80%.

So all that was done was mild extensions, and defoliation once a year as the book says to.

The mistake made was too wet a soil. Will be trying again.

In the UK in Cornwall, Marcus Watts [ IBC ], if memory is correct, has his trident in a green house. Cornwall I believe is a zone 9b.
We are unable to provide the chill to complete the dormancy.
Does this help?
Good Day
Anthony

No Jason,

this was a simple whip bought from, I believe Trenears Nursery [ mail order ] and it arrived on the island before Christmas. Easy to remember, plane flights go up after the 17th of December when going to the West Indies.
Good Day
Anthony

Anthony said:

Does this help?

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Yes. Thank you for clarifying, i think I understand. Was it three inches of growth in trunk width total from 1994 til present? Is that what you are saying? And potted in two gallon or less the entire time? Sorry for multiple questions. I understand how you have grown it, but I don't completely understand the growth pattern for the period you are stating. It would seem to me that a trident would put more than three inches of trunk growth on in approx 20 years, bUt couldn't put three inches on in just a few months.

I know exactly how long these trees have grown. They were grown from whips and have been growing for five years.

This field is all tridents. They look small in the pics don't they.

This thread would be much easier to understand with a picture progression. I realize that you might not have pics in the different stages. However, it is always best to post a series of pictures and dates to accompany them. Makes it more interesting to readers/viewers and easier to understand. In this case, leaving things to the imagination is not a good thing.

Rob

Here is one I dug up.

Doesn't seem so small now.

Here it is after one year post digging.

Here is a tree from the same field that had not been chopped so severly. It still had all the summers growth on it when I dug it. Many of the branches I cut off were 1.5 inches across in one season.

This tree is about 15 times taller and about half as large across as the previous tree. Multuiple chops can increase trunk girth when appropriate techniques are used. Steve did a great job with this crop of maples.

In my climate this is one year of growth from seeds planted last Jan. 2013. Al;l of the seedlings I planted were grown under window screen in an effort to add some gnarly movement into the trunks. One seedling was kept out of the process.

Here is what that seedling looks like today.

About 5/16" across. Pretty good for seedling in one year. I have looked at them for sale and I have never seen seedlings this large for sale ever. Seedling is 26 inches tall.

The ones I grew under screen have become stunted due to stress in the growing environment. They measure 3/16 inch across a full 1/8 inch smaller. I feel that Fresno has probably the best climate for growing these maples. Long hot summers, ten month growing season. Cold winters and 12 percent humidty. They grow like weeds here.

There is no way I can grow one of these whips to 3 inches in a few months, even in the shadow of the microwave.

I have well over 15,000 photos of my own work. There is nothing I can't document in whatever it is I am talking about.

I would suggest for those that like to be on discussion forums and be vocal and challenge people, or BS them, it would be wise to build your own portfolio. Documentation is a great thing.