To Seal or Not to Seal

king kong · Jan 28, 2009

Let me try to explain how things work in a nursery and farming community. We all grow plants and trees of some scope. We then have test plots and pay for lab visits and send back leaf and soil samples to the labs. They will in turn break down the sample and tell you exactly the conditions of the tested plants and or soil. Lets say the test is low on iron and magnesium. We add this to the spray order and we proceed to correct the problem. No need for reading about Joe Blow's nursery in Atlanta Georgia. All test work is done on site in the exact area where the owner wishes to hold plant health or improve plant health. I posted a picture of a typical lab report format. It is allot of work but the results are worth it. In this case my trees were low on a few minors so I add them to a sprayer in chelated form and foliar spray about 10 acres that day.
Any questions I will be happy to answer. Stick around Mr. Heath, the fun has just begun!

Anonymous User · Jan 28, 2009

I was hoping your definition of fun was posted some actual documentation supporting the use of foliar feeding, obviously not. Unless you have some real facts, this will be about as fun as the sealant debate.

Since you seem determined to discuss foliar feeding in a sealant thread, I'll do what I asked you to do, I'll start a thread on the myth of foliar feeding myself.

Will

king kong · Jan 28, 2009

Will Heath said:
I was hoping your definition of fun was posted some actual documentation supporting the use of foliar feeding, obviously not. Unless you have some real facts, this will be about as fun as the sealant debate.

Since you seem determined to discuss foliar feeding in a sealant thread, I'll do what I asked you to do, I'll start a thread on the myth of foliar feeding myself.

Will

Do me A big favor Mr. Heath and try to learn something. If you don't want to just be quiet and pay attention. Now, where were we. Here is a page from one of the large fertilizer companies titled Foliar Feeding . They list the ingredients they sell. Sorry it is not super clear. Can you imagine having this and selling it when anybody with common sense knows it is a myth? I don't dare tell them.

Anonymous User · Jan 28, 2009

king kong said:
Do me A big favor Mr. Heath and try to learn something. If you don't want to just be quiet and pay attention.

Hey genius, there is a thread started on foliar feeding, try and keep up will you? And bring something other than how many people fall for a myth and spend money, the world is full of such stories which do not in any way verify the validity of the product.

Facts man, facts, do you have any at all or is just going to be just another flood of unsupported and unsubstantiated conjecture?

Will.

king kong · Jan 28, 2009

Not a chance Mr. Heath. I am staying where the fishing is good. Plus my social standing is quickly on the move up here from "you have a serious problem" to a "genius" in a matter of hours. More good stuff to come. Like...pictures of Steve in Canada with 6 feet of snow on his car.

king kong · Jan 28, 2009

I am working hard for you people. I hope someone appreciates it. Now here are my Big 3 foliar sprays. One was developed by a man not far from where I type. Minor elements mostly and works like a charm. It all goes in a 100 gallon sprayer and used for a spray on the foliage. You are looking at about 500 dollars worth of fertilizer which will last about 4 months. KeyPlex, Iron Plex and Brexil. I could turn a broom green with this product...the best.
ps. excuse the cavity in the bc...it came that way lol

greerhw · Jan 28, 2009

May I ask, why all three.

Harry

king kong · Jan 28, 2009

It is a little complicated Harry but basicly they all have something to add to the total package. It really depends on the lab results as to what product or products to use.
Now I heard this one which always makes me scratch my head. If my tree is in shock with a poor root system then I use foliar feed. So when your tree develops a root system it can no longer feed off the leaves? Well than the person will say. It doesn't need foliar fert after the roots develop. The roots pick up every thing. Not always. Minor adjustments can be made with minor elements that when sprayed and conditions are right, the plant will show a response in days. If I spray one of those cans Iron Plex on a Bucida, It will turn the leaves black green in weeks. Remind me to show the magic barrel with staves marked as elements.

Anonymous User · Feb 9, 2009

tombeur said:
You might want to read this ....
http://knowledgeofbonsai.org/misc/debunking.php

Hey tyombeur, did you know you were a sock puppet? Lmao!

Careful they have banned at least two people at BT for suspicion of being Will. TFF!

After linking to this thread, Chris Johnston said, "Of course some sock puppet decided to link to Will Heath's "Debunking" article and when someone disagreed with it, the temperature went way up. Find a common thread in almost all the flame wars of recent years. I dare you." - Chris Johnston's blog (By the way, the common thread is Chris and my responses to him.)

What he failed to mention, of course, is that not a single person provided any documented proof at all that sealants do any good or that some of the biggest names in bonsai have gone on record stating they do not use cut paste.

Conclusion: Cut paste and sealants are not necessary for bonsai and may do more harm than good. Until documented research staing otherwise is produced, my article exposing cut paste as a myth remains factual.

Thanks to all who actually participated, I learned many things and gained quite a bit to further support my article with.

Will

king kong · Feb 10, 2009

Your article Mr. Heath is a load of halph truths that offers no insightful information, lumping three entirely different disciplines together and calling all three a waste of time with no use to plants is totaly irresponsible. Next time you make an attempt to communicate your biased limited knowledge with the public I would recommend you let someone with a horticulture background with experience with plants proof read your diatribe.

pjkatich · Feb 10, 2009

Will Heath said:
What he failed to mention, of course, is that not a single person provided any documented proof at all that sealants do any good....

On the contrary Will, I did provide such documented proof in post #61 on page 7 of this thread. It was either over-looked or ignored.

So, I will present it again:

For those that perfer more clinical types of research to prove a point, I would like to refer you to the following article: Wound Healing, Part 1 by Bill Cody MD. The article appeared in Bonsai: Journal of the American Bonsai Society, Summer 1993, Volume 27, Number 2, pages 48-54.

In his conclusion, Dr. Cody states, "In contrast to several studies of wound dressings referenced in this paper, our results would indicate that immediate protection of wound edges by any of the three dressings studied, improves the rate of closure in field grown cedar elms to a significant degree over wounds left unprotected."

Are you familiar with this study? If so, have you taken the time to read it? And if you have taken the time to read the article, can you explain why Dr. Cody's research should be considered invalid?

Regards,
Paul

king kong · Feb 10, 2009

It's called "Selective Research" with total denial of any opposing information.

Our volunteer shown goes by 'Rusty'

tombeur · Feb 10, 2009

Will Heath said:
Hey tyombeur, did you know you were a sock puppet? Lmao!

Careful they have banned at least two people at BT for suspicion of being Will. TFF!

After linking to this thread, Chris Johnston said, "Of course some sock puppet decided to link to Will Heath's "Debunking" article and when someone disagreed with it, the temperature went way up. Find a common thread in almost all the flame wars of recent years. I dare you." - Chris Johnston's blog (By the way, the common thread is Chris and my responses to him.)

What he failed to mention, of course, is that not a single person provided any documented proof at all that sealants do any good or that some of the biggest names in bonsai have gone on record stating they do not use cut paste.

Conclusion: Cut paste and sealants are not necessary for bonsai and may do more harm than good. Until documented research staing otherwise is produced, my article exposing cut paste as a myth remains factual.

Thanks to all who actually participated, I learned many things and gained quite a bit to further support my article with.

Will

Will,

I said he should read it .... I did not say that he should believe it - though I do find some things in there that make sense to me. Not meaning to take sides in this childish exchange though ....... I am mature enough to read something and glean the things that make sense from the things that do not and make my own decisions.

Cheers,

Sock Puppet

Rusty Harris · Feb 10, 2009

king kong said:
It's called "Selective Research" with total denial of any opposing information.

Our volunteer shown goes by 'Rusty'

If a caged monkey slings his feces toward me at the zoo, I don't respond by crapping in my own hand and slinging mine back. I simply say "Dang", realizing the animal is just that, an animal. Further, I don't need to explain, to those that witnessed, that the monkey is an animal, they already know that, I just move on and enjoy the rest of the zoo.

Read my signature.

king kong · Feb 10, 2009

If I am throwing feces Rusty, I would highly recommend you close your mouth.

Rusty Harris · Feb 10, 2009

king kong said:
If I am throwing feces Rusty, I would highly recommend you close your mouth.

If a caged monkey slings his feces toward me at the zoo, I don't respond by crapping in my own hand and slinging mine back. I simply say "Dang", realizing the animal is just that, an animal. Further, I don't need to explain, to those that witnessed, that the monkey is an animal, they already know that, I just move on and enjoy the rest of the zoo.

Read my signature.

Asus101 · Feb 10, 2009

Rusty Harris said:
If a caged monkey slings his feces toward me at the zoo, I don't respond by crapping in my own hand and slinging mine back. I simply say "Dang", realizing the animal is just that, an animal. Further, I don't need to explain, to those that witnessed, that the monkey is an animal, they already know that, I just move on and enjoy the rest of the zoo.

I have never seen a monkey throw poo, although I have seen the odd ape do it..

TheSteve · Feb 10, 2009

Hey king kong i think you just got called an odd ape.

king kong · Feb 11, 2009

Again, the only writing WH should be responsibly writing is Club minutes or something in that order. Until he gets more experience with botany and plant care, there is no way he should be on a staff of a journal having anything to do with this subject matter at this time. He deserves a pink slip after this last article. Chest pounding biased diatribes are of little use and do more damage than good.

Vance Wood · Feb 11, 2009

king kong said:
Again, the only writing WH should be responsibly writing is Club minutes or something in that order. Until he gets more experience with botany and plant care, there is no way he should be on a staff of a journal having anything to do with this subject matter at this time. He deserves a pink slip after this last article. Chest pounding biased diatribes are of little use and do more damage than good.

Would you sat that to Jason Gamby?

Why don't you be honest; the only thing that would make you happy is if Will became worm food.

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