My first nursery mugo pines

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Picked up a mugo pine in a 2 1/2 gallon container with what seems like a decent base. Also picked up a smaller mugo in a six inch (guessing) can. Photographs aren't the best. I'm trying to follow Vance's advice for reporting and pruning. All I've done so far is scrape away soil to reveal the base and cut dead stuff off leaving one inch stubs.
 

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Not bad at all for nursery stock. They look really healthy. Have fun with them.
 

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Nice stock and very typical of nursery mugos. Hardly any upward movement and all the branches are about the same as the trunk. This is from shearing the trees into little globes and this takes a few years once you get on the right track to reconstruct.

Mugos were my first pine, and you never forget your first, do you? I hated to even share what I was doing with them, it was so contrary to what I was reading about pines, but I had stumbled into a way of working mugos and they were responding very well for me. I've often said that I'm doing everything wrong with this pine and it just keeps coming.

Then I met the man, and everyone pretty much calling crackpot on his methods (A profit is not without honor, save in his own home, I read that somewhere), but it was pretty much what I was doing and lo and behold! Haven't we come full circle! Isn't life grand!

Anyway, wooboy! talk about hijack, my apologies. I just wanted to say, if you can come across any mugo that have not been so prunned, I've found a couple, they are so much nicer than these from the gitgo, they actually look like trees and not little bushes. Your little one there you can work into a nicer tree than the biggie because you can train it right from the start. You've got a couple of few years to get that bush going the right way. Well, you know. I worked mind back slowly and I think one good hard prunning might have been the way to go after all. I don't know and I'll never buy another so treat me like I'm from Missouri, show me. Best of luck and fun, Rick
 

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BTW Have you ever seen one of these that has been allowed to grow out without any prunning or trimming? Just hideous! Saw one yesterday at a friends house. It looks like a dead spider on its back with its hairy legs up in the air. Very healthy, but ugly as sin. LOL
 

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BTW Have you ever seen one of these that has been allowed to grow out without any prunning or trimming? Just hideous! Saw one yesterday at a friends house. It looks like a dead spider on its back with its hairy legs up in the air. Very healthy, but ugly as sin. LOL

I haven't seen them used around here much in landscaping, though I always see a few at nurseries. I did see your thread where the ones left in the nursery cans got all spindley and spidery. The recovery in the ground was very impressive. Did you cut candles at all? I'm asking because they back budded and filled out so well.
 
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At least people are talking about the tree. Even some are starting to take them seriously. That's really all I ask for. I believe in the potential of the tree in America, you don't need to convince anyone in Europe, they already know and honor the tree by making wold class bonsai out of them. Of course it helps when you can see what nature can make of this tree in it's natural environment. I am also resolved that there will always be people that will think that this tree is a waste of time and a second rate tree.
 

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I believe when I planted them I cut some of the spindles. This generated the backbudding and I let them run for a season untouched. The next I cut all the candles in half and last year I removed some candles on strong branches to reduce them to one or two. As the season progressed I removed candles as the grew out always leaving the smallest candles. This really opened things up and this year they are just bonkers.

I'm not touching them this year because I want to dig them and get them into containers. I know I took pics each year, but they have escaped into the nither regions of my computer. I'll keep looking.
 

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I'm not touching them this year because I want to dig them and get them into containers. I know I took pics each year, but they have escaped into the nither regions of my computer. I'll keep looking.

Seems to me like a mugo in the "nither" regions is a very unfortunate situation indeed! ;)
 

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Vance I picked one up as well. I was joking about the cult. After looking through about a hundred trees I found a decent one that was not a mushroom with all the branches coming out of one place. Honestly I see more mungos than any other pine at my local nurseries so I'm excited about the new adventure.
 

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Vance I picked one up as well. I was joking about the cult. After looking through about a hundred trees I found a decent one that was not a mushroom with all the branches coming out of one place. Honestly I see more mungos than any other pine at my local nurseries so I'm excited about the new adventure.

Get your hands dirty. Dig around under the branches and feel for the nebari and maybe even a fat trunk. You would be surprised what your hands can see the elude the eye.
 

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I do that all the time with all kinds of trees. I often wonder what people seeing me do that must think about my sanity. That's how I find the little mungo I found. Luckily it was not root bound and I was able to find the base. Bare rooted the little guy a month ago and it's still looking good. Again thanks for the years of experience that you have shared. I have been sharing it with people in my area. Hopefully 30 years from now we can have great examples.
 

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I do that all the time with all kinds of trees. I often wonder what people seeing me do that must think about my sanity. That's how I find the little mungo I found. Luckily it was not root bound and I was able to find the base. Bare rooted the little guy a month ago and it's still looking good. Again thanks for the years of experience that you have shared. I have been sharing it with people in my area. Hopefully 30 years from now we can have great examples.

If you start worrying about what people think you will get no where. Actually it may be better to leave people with the impression you are a few sandwiches short of a box lunch. They figure you will go away eventually and it would be better to not bother someone with questionable mental capacity, especially if you occasionally rub your hand together and laugh like Renfield in the Dracula movies. This really gets to them.
 

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Vance, I don't have any candles extending from them yet. I applied some slow release fertilizer on the soil surface when I brought them home.

I read your instructions to cut back the top, cut the bottom third of the soil off, then switch out a third of the soil with fresh bonsai soil after Father's Day. Should there be candles extending by that time? Or should I wait until they do extend and then do all that work, assuming it is in the time frame?
 

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Vance, I don't have any candles extending from them yet. I applied some slow release fertilizer on the soil surface when I brought them home.

I read your instructions to cut back the top, cut the bottom third of the soil off, then switch out a third of the soil with fresh bonsai soil after Father's Day. Should there be candles extending by that time? Or should I wait until they do extend and then do all that work, assuming it is in the time frame?

Some of them are being really slow. I have one in-particular that is obviously alive but it is just sulking right now while all of its brothers have candles where the needles are starting to open. I am toying with the idea of repotting it only; in the first of July, and delaying all that other stuff till next year. I know the tree needs repotting but this winter was really tough of everything. We had the worst winter in 135 years. We had temperatures that were -20 Fahrenheit for a week at a time twice and most of the winter was in single digits.
 

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I saw one of the other mugo threads and learned I didn't have to prune the top and repot at the same time, so I went and cut off some branching that I won't need. Hopefully I didn't take too much off. There are a bunch of knuckles on the branches away frothe trunk that I want to deal with, but I'm not sure how much is too much when it comes to reducing mugo pine. And I'm trying to consider that I will be repotting and stressing it that way in a couple weeks.

Sorry the pics came out sideways! What looks like horizontal bar roots coming out of the base were actually two long spindly branches.
 

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I saw one of the other mugo threads and learned I didn't have to prune the top and repot at the same time, so I went and cut off some branching that I won't need. Hopefully I didn't take too much off. There are a bunch of knuckles on the branches away frothe trunk that I want to deal with, but I'm not sure how much is too much when it comes to reducing mugo pine. And I'm trying to consider that I will be repotting and stressing it that way in a couple weeks.

Sorry the pics came out sideways! What looks like horizontal bar roots coming out of the base were actually two long spindly branches.

The knuckle problem with this tree should not be an issue unless you fall into the temptation to uitilize all the branches at the one point where you have identified the knuckle. Really nice base and trunk line working there and I applaud what you have started. There are two places that I can see you should concern yourself with. Of course where all the branches high on the trunk are as I mentioned. Also the branch on the left is showing the same issue. There are a lot of branches growing at the end of the branch. This will cause a problem down the road. You should not allow any more than three to develop; two is better but it is hard to have all of those nice branches and their consequent tufts of needles to realize most of them have to go.
 
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The knuckle problem with this tree should not be an issue unless you fall into the temptation to uitilize all the branches at the one point where you have identified the knuckle. Really nice base and trunk line working there and I applaud what you have started. There are two places that I can see you should concern yourself with. Of course where all the branches high on the trunk are as I mentioned. Also the branch on the left is showing the same issue. There are a lot of branches growing at the end of the branch. This will cause a problem down the road. You should not allow any more than three to develop; two is better but it is hard to have all of those nice branches and their consequent tufts of needles to realize most of them have to go.

I was cautious with how much I removed. I guess I can go ahead and reduce the clusters down to two branches at each junction/knuckle? I would rather deal with it now than wait if I don't have too. I just don't want to put the health of the tree in jeopardy because I am rushing and taking too much foliage off at once.
 

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I was cautious with how much I removed. I guess I can go ahead and reduce the clusters down to two branches at each junction/knuckle? I would rather deal with it now than wait if I don't have too. I just don't want to put the health of the tree in jeopardy because I am rushing and taking too much foliage off at once.

I think you're OK for now. You could wait till the middle to end of July to get there.
 
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