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Hi everybody,
To start off, I'm not asking questions and I know these pines aren't ready for styling yet.
I'm making this so maybe in 10 years from now, I can show the progression of my pines.
I'll post about these whenever I do something to them.
To start off, I bought 2 two year old mikawa JBP seedlings and 2 three year old JWP seedlings from adamsbonsai. They are currently being fertilized with two 1" rapeseed cakes in 3.5" plastic pot's. One black pine in the future, will be shohin. The rest of the pines, are going to be probably 20" finished.
For now, their just growing. I'll repot them into larger pots next spring. I will have to say sorry for doing this, but I wired one of the JBP (shohin one)
In the meantime, I have other deciduous tree's to go work on. (well, I need to buy larger ones)
Please feel free to help me out.
Thank you,
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Hi everyone,
should I consider this JBP for $100? DSC_0094.jpgIts about a foot tall. I really love this, and think it would work for an informal upright. It looks like maybe a little more growing on the branches and this puppy is ready to style.
Thanks,
Porter
 
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Oh,
Will someone steal this before I buy?
Dang it
 

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1. Are you good at keeping pines alive? If so, then proceed to number 2.
2. Yes.
 
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So far, yup. They are still alive after 1 month.
 

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$100? Not bad. When I see those price-gouged toothpicks being advertised on Ebay, it makes this look like a hell of a deal. That's a tree I wouldn't pass, but that's on you.
 

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Please people. The ONLY way to get these lazy folks to upload their pictures right side up is to NOT RESPOND!
 
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well, JKL
If you have a mac, go into preview and simply click the arrow on the tool bar. that flips the picture. I don't know why it did that
 

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No Mac here, and why should I have to go to that trouble? Seems it's your responsibility how to figure out how to post pictures correctly.
 
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Oh, sorry.
Maybe if someone would help.... then I would know
 

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So far, yup. They are still alive after 1 month.

Of course with a pine you would not see any noticeable yellowing on the needles in 1 months time even if you had cut the branch off the tree and laid it on the ground ...

ed
 

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Hi everyone,
should I consider this JBP for $100? View attachment 59064Its about a foot tall. I really love this, and think it would work for an informal upright. It looks like maybe a little more growing on the branches and this puppy is ready to style.
Thanks,
Porter

Looks to me like it worth a bit more than $100. I would jump on it if you think you can keep it alive and thriving.
 
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update on my seedling.
It died this morning. I wired it too early, so the needles were gray and the trunk broke in half.
So, I learned not to wire JBP in the summer. luckily, I have 2 other JBP seedlings.
Thanks!
 
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I think I'll buy the $100 tree though. I just need money
 

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Don't we all. I would nab this tree up in second! it's got a good start with trunk thickness and good movement. Decent "bones" as they say. In my mind, for $100, this is a steal!

I think I'll buy the $100 tree though. I just need money
 

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The shohin JBP didn't die because it was wired in the summer. I wire JBP in the summer all the time!

It died because you snapped the trunk.

Now, why did you snap the trunk? I presume you were trying to put a bend in it. So, looking at the wire on the last picture, it appears you used a fairly large gauge copper wire. But it's very loosely coiled. Was it very stiff to apply? Was it annealed copper? A piece of copper that size would be pretty stiff if it were not annealed.

Now, for wiring to work, the wire has to laid onto the wood so that it contacts the wood even when you're bending it. The general rule of thumb is the coil of wire should spiral up at about a 45 degree angle. Your wiring looks like it runs more parallel to the wood. In other words, it doesn't look like you spiraled around the trunk enough. Using a wire that's not annealed, or a wire that's simply too large makes it hard to wire the branch/trunk properly. What happens is a "loosely" wired trunk.



So what? Well if the wire is too loose, then when the tree is bent, it can be bent too sharply, and snap. You see, wire serves not only to support the bend when it's made, it also serves to prevent the tree from breaking. Bends should be made where the wire is on the outside of the curve. This prevents the wood from snapping. If the wire is not contacting the wood, no protection from snapping.

Now, often what happens when using too large a wire is the tree gets wired around the wire, rather than the wire being wrapped around the tree! Especially if the wire is stiff. This can also cause the tree to snap.

Now, the problem was NOT it was wired in summer, the problem was the wiring was done improperly. The good thing is now you've learned that it matters. And you've learned your lesson on a relatively inexpensive piece of material. (I know you purchased it from Julian, and there was shipping, etc., but it wasn't hundreds of dollars.)

Please see if you can get someone in your local club to teach you to wire.

I give wiring classes at a local bonsai shop. I see absolutely horrible wiring jobs. After a half day of instruction, they are much, much better. Wiring takes practice, and is NOT easy, until you've wired a couple hundred trees.

Ask the members at the club who is the best wirer. And see if that person will instruct you. It's a hands-on skill.
 
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Hi adair,
Well, I removed the wire last week. Then, the bark wasn't green underneath, so it was a "brittle" tree. Now when I checked, the needles were gray, broken, then I check the trunk and SNAP! the tree was dead.
When I go to the workshop this month, I'll ask a club member for a wiring lesson. I already went to the club last week, its a good place to be.
Thank you again though, and hopefully I'll learn how to wire better.
 

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It takes about a month for the needles to start to dry out. You killed it when you were wiring it. You just didn't know you had broken it then.

Wiring a tree doesn't kill it. Breaking the trunk does.

Please stop acting as if you know what you're doing. You don't.

You broke it when you wired it. You don't know how to wire properly. If you did, you wouldn't have broken the tree when you wired it.

Hopefully you can find someone to show you how to do things properly, and you'll have better success.
 

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Rockwell, look up orlando bonsai tv wiring on YouTube. It should help you out until you find a person to help you in person. Adair knows what he's talking about. I bet Boon has made him unwire and rewire quite a few times until his wiring was good.
 
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