Good looking outdoor pedestals that are easy to make

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Hello all,

Since I'm new here and have only asked a ton of questions, I thought I'd give back. It will be many years before I feel informed enough to give bonsai advice, so I thought I'd share something I am good at. I am an instrument maker by trade and, while I have the ability and the tools to make intricate and ornate stands, who has the time? I think we would all rather be working on our trees. So here is a vary fast and cheap pedestal that, I think, looks great. Feel free to add anything you think would make this even better, or ask a question if I leave something out.....but this is really easy.

Ok here we go..........

The materials you will need:

1 treated 6x6- (I used a 10' post so I could cut it in half for two posts and not just have a stump leftover) $32

1 treated 2x4- (may need more than one if making two) $7

1 box of outdoor screws- $9

1 piece of flag stone- $10-20+ depending on size and weight. You can find these at any stone yard that sells pavers and landscape stone.

All above items may be swapped (i.e.: 4x4 in place of 6x6, or lag bolts for screws. It all depends on the look you are going for. I used the 6x6 because I was using 20" stone and didn't want it to look precarious.)

The first picture is the finished product. The second picture was me using scrap wood to rough out the lengths. I'm not going to give you any measurements for the bottom bracing, because you will need to make it custom for your stone. I made sure that I took them as close to the edge as possible, for added stability. I should note that I had the stone sitting on just the 6x6 in the shop, and it was surprisingly stable -- but make the base; you don't want to cut corners with your trees.

The third photo is the base all screwed in. I assembled it upside down on a flat surface to ensure that it was all level. Don't worry if yours isn't perfect; the stone you buy won't be perfectly flat either. You can adjust a few degrees when you put it in the ground with your level. I did try to get the flattest stones, but I also wanted a little character. I chose to pocket screw the base together, two screws top and bottom of the joint. You can screw them in from the front, but make sure you pre-drill your holes. The wood will crack on its own, no need to add cracks. Then I screwed the base to the 6x6, which you can see in the picture.

I was toying with anchoring the stone to the stand but, with the base and the weight of the stone (98 lbs), I didn't think it was needed. You do not have to cut in the angles. It just allowed me to get the bracing as close to the edge as possible without it being too visible. Also, it makes it look way cooler. I used poor man's cement for the hole in the ground (pea gravel and playground sand mixed), because this is not a permanent spot for the trees.

Well, I think I covered everything it took to make the stands. It will take you less time to make them than it did to read this post. Please let me know if something doesn't make sense and you need me to clarify. I hope some of you find this post helpful.

P.S.: photos two and three are out of order, and I can't seem to get them to upload sequentially. But you get the idea.
 

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I like the design. If I had larger bonsai (or owned a home even) I'd build a few of these. Most of my trees in training are shohin though.
 

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I will be stealing your idea this Spring! Thank you for sharing. Curious how deep you placed them and if you used concrete.

Grimmy
 

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I will be stealing your idea this Spring! Thank you for sharing. Curious how deep you placed them and if you used concrete.

Grimmy

Glad you like it! I put them a little over two feet into the ground. I used a pea gravel and sand instead of concrete so I can move them when the time comes.
 

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Thanks for the detailed instructions. One question though -- did you anchor the post in concrete (put the dry mix in the hole with the post)?
 

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I'm building a bench for my trees and wondering if there is a typical height that one should build to for stands and benches.

I assume that a stand would bring the tree up to approx. the height one would display a sculpture at, or as a low bench simply to lift them off the ground.

I'm planning 18" for my low bench, but wondering if there are standard heights to go by.
 

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I'm building a bench for my trees and wondering if there is a typical height that one should build to for stands and benches.

I assume that a stand would bring the tree up to approx. the height one would display a sculpture at, or as a low bench simply to lift them off the ground.

I'm planning 18" for my low bench, but wondering if there are standard heights to go by.

I built some that are about waist level, and I like them, but I believe BVF? had the idea of building them so they are eye level...you can appreciate them much better and I totally agree. I have some on 4 milk crates (I'm 6'0 btw), ugly compared to my made ones, but it is really nice to be able to see the whole tree without bending down. Next ones will be much higher.

Here are mine: http://bonsainut.com/forums/showthread.php?11506-Anyone-with-Japanese-Styled-Monkey-Poles
 
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Chucktownbonsai

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Thanks for the detailed instructions. One question though -- did you anchor the post in concrete (put the dry mix in the hole with the post)?


No concrete, just pea gravel and sand mixed together it locks it all in place without being permanent.
 

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I'm building a bench for my trees and wondering if there is a typical height that one should build to for stands and benches.

I assume that a stand would bring the tree up to approx. the height one would display a sculpture at, or as a low bench simply to lift them off the ground.

I'm planning 18" for my low bench, but wondering if there are standard heights to go by.


I do not know of any standard height, because it really depends on your trees and what the bench is for. If you only have large trees, you would want a shorter bench. If you are only doing shohin, then taller is better. If this is a bench that will double as a viewing spot and work space, you want to go with a height where it's comfortable to work. I like to keep my trees at a height that lets me look at them in the middle from about 4' away. That way, I am able to view the trees and reach all parts with out moving them. I have another table where I do all of my major work. The trees stay on the benches and pedestals for the rest of the time, and it's easy to pull weeds and trim here and there. So, to answer your question, the right height is the height that allows you to get the best view of your trees that doesn't make it hard to do day-to-day tasks.
 

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Thanks fellas. I may fallow this up with some pedestals that are 36" tall and free standing.
 

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Nice. Thank you

This is timely. I am moving to a new house in a month but it has no display areas. I will need to make a few monkey poles and a bench. One think I would add is to obviously know your local building conditions. I don't think sand and gravel would cut it here in the northland. We need the stability of frost footings to keep things in place.

Very nice design and I love the flagstone idea.
 

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Those are nice stands. I have found the stone tables to be too hot for most trees if they get any afternoon sun. When the pots are too hot to pick up, you know that you have an issue:) I actually use pieces of wood to lift the pots off the stone and allow a little airflow...it helps a little. I have been working to replace the stone tops wherever possible. Mica pots don't seem to transfer the heat as much. I still have a couple large bald cypress on large stone slabs but they have so much mass between the pots and soil they affected as much.
 

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Those are nice stands. I have found the stone tables to be too hot for most trees if they get any afternoon sun. When the pots are too hot to pick up, you know that you have an issue:) I actually use pieces of wood to lift the pots off the stone and allow a little airflow...it helps a little. I have been working to replace the stone tops wherever possible. Mica pots don't seem to transfer the heat as much. I still have a couple large bald cypress on large stone slabs but they have so much mass between the pots and soil they affected as much.


Hey John,

I was worried about the heat, so I placed moss (I think it is some kind of feather moss) over much of the top. I like the look, and it keeps the heat way down. I collect all the moss off an asphalt parking lot, so it really thrives on these stones. You can see it better in the BC picture. I guess I should have stated that in the post. Thanks for bringing that up and the wood shim idea.

I could see how you would have a problem with heat when your town's slogan is "Famously hot!" Looking forward to seeing what you bring to Asheville this year. The Shimpaku I got from you last year is really doing well.

Adam
 
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