Azaleas identifications please...

fredman · Nov 7, 2015

Yeah that's how a got it to. Callaham says mid winter to early spring. Cutting back's onset should coincide with cambium growth. Its mid spring here now and some of them hasn't flowered yet. I was/am a bit worried that it might be to late now... I'll wait until they flowered, enjoy it somewhat and then cut back. Die back cant occur when they are growing strongly...

fredman · Nov 7, 2015

Chuah said:
Agreed with the last few posts on id problems. Colors on photo can sometimes be deceiving too. Fredman, suggest you grow them, note whether they flower early, regular or late, comparatively; size and color variations of flowers, size and shape of leaves. Preferably based on the system outlined in Kennedy or Callahan's books. Those info will help narrowing them down but could still be difficult, unless you know someone locally who is a satsuki cultivar expert who can see the plants and flowers in person. And that could still be a challenge.
BTW, I saw you posted plant #22 id question on Facebook, and someone said it is definitely a Juko. In my opinion, that was unlikely. Others may chime in whether to rule it out as a Juko or not.

Yeah I've decided against trying to name them now. Some of the flowers are a bit iffy (not well developed) and the general growth isn't what it should be. Most important for now is to work on the right way of cultivating them. Get them strong and healthy for the future so the true colours can come forward...!!!
Coinciding with that I need to try and separate the satsuki from the kurumi and other azaleas.....???

Robert E Holt · Nov 7, 2015

Another aid in identifying them stems from where you got them. If you got them in the U.S. or from a U.S. source, then you can look at the most common U.S. cultivars for color and flower type. This will likely give you the best possibility of finding the correct name. Looking at the complete list of Satsuki cultivars (I.e. The Big Fat Book of Satsuki Azaleas, from Japan) would be too large a list compared to what is generally available from your source.

fredman · Nov 7, 2015

Yeah makes sense Robert. For U.S. cultivars, the best way for me to try and identify them, would be on the US azalea society website you think?

Eric Group · Nov 7, 2015

fredman said:
Hi Everybody. I have some Satsuki, Kurume and I think Indica that I need to get identified. Got them from a friend 3 years ago and they still haven't got names...NOT GOOD
Any help will be appreciated? Thanks
There are more than 30. Apologies for the random numbers. Some are busy flowering and some not opened yet. Some photos are from last year.
Can I please ask those in the know to "watch" the thread as I will be putting up new photos as they open...
Thanks again
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#10 does not look like Satsuki to me. Doesn't mean it is a bad azalea, just looks like a regular old "Indica"/ heirloom variety to me...

You have some cool Azaleas there though. I love the ones with multi-colored blooms!

Harunobu · Nov 8, 2015

What about 'Komei' for 22?

Whatever it is, I love cultivar like the one in your picture, of 'Komei' or 'Miyabihime' for that matter. You always like what you don't have, alas.

fredman · Nov 8, 2015

Harunobu said:
What about 'Komei' for 22?

Yes mate that looks very likely. The other flowers as they are opening now looks very similar. The leaves looks similar to. This is another identical one with more flowers...

Hey Harunobu... Did you see my massage #39?.....

fredman · Nov 10, 2015

Couple of questions to you Azalea experts....
I want graft a side branch onto the main branch. Which works best...thread or approach?
Some of my satsukis did not flower at all this season. The flowers are there but they are dry. Any idea why that is?

Robert E Holt · Nov 10, 2015

That ussually occurs with inadequate watering or root problems.

I would think that thread grafting would give the best results. I have one that I may try an approach graft on next season.

fredman · Nov 10, 2015

Yeah watering makes sense Robert. Those one had a tough time because they were in the wrong place in winter. I did neglect the watering there. Thanks mate.
Another question please... I've had to cut some back radically into the old wood, to shorten the elongation. My logic says the best time to replant them into a smaller pot, is now while they are in a growth spurt.... am I right?

Robert E Holt · Nov 10, 2015

fredman said:
Yeah watering makes sense Robert. Those one had a tough time because they were in the wrong place in winter. I did neglect the watering there. Thanks mate.
Another question please... I've had to cut some back radically into the old wood, to shorten the elongation. My logic says the best time to replant them into a smaller pot, is now while they are in a growth spurt.... am I right?

As I understand it, you just had "Spring" and your Azaleas have bloomed? If that is true, then yesterday now would be the right time to re-pot.

fredman · Nov 10, 2015

Yeah mate spring is in the air. Its actually mid spring. Some has bloomed and some are happy in bloom. Others still have to...

Robert E Holt · Nov 10, 2015

fredman said:
Yeah mate spring is in the air. Its actually mid spring. Some has bloomed and some are happy in bloom. Others still have to...

As soon as you cut the blooms you should be good to re-pot. Post some pictures when you do. I am getting anxious to get start on mine and it isn't really winter yet

it's going to be a long wait.

fredman · Nov 10, 2015

Cheers Robert. Yeah we just came out a way to long winter. Its still coldish here especially at night, but I have got myself a cold frame to protect them in winter from the harsh winds. I use it now to push growth and get a much longer season. Works beautifully. Warm and humid inside in the days, while its coldish outside. I frequently spray the inside with the hosepipe to keep it feeling like jungle in there...

Man I don't know what I would've done without it !!! This is when I was still busy erecting it...

Yes thanks for suggesting I post pics. That's what I love doing. Makes things so much easier. I'm a bit busy now but will put up as I go...
This is one I have cut back drastically. Its a Sangosai. Havent got a before pic but it looked similar to the Fujimori on the right. Think I cut enough?

Interestingly the Fujimori is blooming fantastic this year. Last year the flowers were small, thin and stringy. Didn't like it much then. Though of giving it away. This year its the petals are much broader and bigger. Shows you how the can differ if there is something wrong with the cultivation...

Robert E Holt · Nov 10, 2015

Nice! I think I would have taken a little more off. It still looks a little leggy. Just depends on the style you are looking for. I like the cold frame. I may have to build something like that myself.

fredman · Nov 10, 2015

Robert E Holt said:
taken a little more off

Ha Ha thought you gonna say that. Cant get myself so far as to do that....

I think its actually well balanced to be honest. The photo don't show it well. Because of its height I don't want it to compact. (if you know what I mean...?)

Robert E Holt · Nov 10, 2015

I'll have to look at it again latter on a larger display. Right now I am on my phone and have had a few shots of Jamieson

fredman · Nov 10, 2015

Here is another two views of it. Where would you cut it? It stands 350 mm high...

fredman · Nov 10, 2015

Robert E Holt said:
few shots of Jamieson

LoL. Yeah bonsai cutters and Jamieson don't go well together. Maybe we talk again in the morn....

fredman · Nov 11, 2015

There is something that doesn't make sense to me (horticulturally) about cutting back and replanting satsuki (and azalea in general). The timing seems wrong to me....
The plant comes out of its dormant time and starts growing, after that comes the flowering. That is a lot of energy used. Now comes my problem... Why do we cut back and replant when the energy is spent (or almost)?
Doesn't it make more sense (horticulturally) to do that before the growth spurt...like in deciduous trees?
I realize we would loose the flowers but when we want to restyle, isn't that the best time?

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