Deciduous yamadori in the US

mattspinniken · Dec 11, 2015

It seems to me like the US has plenty of great conifers to collect. I am not seeing really good collected deciduous in the United States like they have in Europe. I am sure there are some good species in the US but from what I have seen most deciduous around here is not all that good for bonsai comparatively.

Were there any American collected deciduous at the A-cup?

I'm not complaining just looking for tips on species that would be good. So far in my area the only deciduous species I really like is Malus. I also really like Birch but it is not on the top of my list because of branch die back.

sorce · Dec 11, 2015

There is an untapped market in cow fields I reckon!

Too much hoity toity not enough diggy diggy!

Sorce

Dav4 · Dec 11, 2015

This one's been to the Nationals...http://bonsainut.com/index.php?threads/collected-hawthorn-history.5761/

rockm · Dec 11, 2015

live oak

Unfortunately, the big conifers have been stealing the show for the last few years. Hardly means there aren't excellent deciduous out there.

Here's a place to start
https://www.bonsai-nbf.org/north-american-collection/

Also note one of the most bonsaiable U.S. species (and something the Europeans don't have or understand) is BOTH conifer and deciduous--Bald cypress. Do a search on Bald Cypress bonsai and see what comes up.

bald cypress

Cypress187 · Dec 11, 2015

I collect oak birch decidious and evergreen spruce and pine's (in the netherlands (europe)) here is the complete LIST

Alain · Dec 11, 2015

Elms sound like a good candidate.
I collected a privet also (at least I think it's a privet, I'll post pictures when/if it get leaves this spring).
Maples all over the place.
Trumpet vines.
Lilacs

rockm · Dec 11, 2015

Also take a look here:

http://bonsai-south.com/

Some nice starter collected stuff up to advanced...

Giga · Dec 11, 2015

rockm said:
Also take a look here:

http://bonsai-south.com/

Some nice starter collected stuff up to advanced...

It's a good show of collected stuff here but the prices are kinda ridiculous.

mattspinniken · Dec 11, 2015

Hawthorn and bald cypress are really good examples. Wish I could grow Bald Cypress here. Maybe Linden would work as well. Hard to say that American Hawthorn is as nice as English. Maybe they are out there but the bark looks so much more rugged and gnarly on the English version. Nothing against Brian's Hawthorn, that tree is amazing.

mattspinniken · Dec 11, 2015

Tony Tickle's English hawthorn

rockm · Dec 11, 2015

Giga said:
It's a good show of collected stuff here but the prices are kinda ridiculous.

I don't really think it's all that expensive, compared to other online sources of similar stuff. Zach is also a straight up dealer. He will bend over backward for you. He also has a pretty decent eye for raw stock in the wild. I've seen comparably sized Bald cypress for instance for hundreds more at several sites online. Those trees range from iffy to downright pathetic.

Zach also knows the details in getting trees out of the ground and to the customer alive--details like burying BC and other species' root crowns instead of leaving them exposed. Exposed BC buttress roots will die off in a year or so if left exposed after they're dug up.

rockm · Dec 11, 2015

mattspiniken said:
Tony Tickle's English hawthorn

Well, that's an English hawthorn. You want that, collect one off the English/Welsh moors. They only grow in the US as landscape stock. Hawthorn in the U.S. are a much more numerous, rambunctious and variable lot. They can range all over the place in bark, leaf shape and other stuff. Some look better than others.
http://www.treesforme.com/crataegus_hawthorn.html

Also FWIW, North America has about double or more plant species than Europe and the U.K. We have a lot more to choose from and more varied and extreme climates that produce trees more than equal to those in the U.K.

Waldo Street Pottery · Dec 11, 2015

Hornbeam, Hop Hornbeam, Bald and Pond Cypress, Beech, Hawthorn, Bush Honeysuckle, Black Ty Ty, Water Elm and Bradford Pear are all deciduous we have collected with success here in North and South Georgia. This year I think I'm going to try for a larger Red Maple or two, along with other above mentioned species I have been out tagging. Bring on collecting season!

Zach Smith · Dec 11, 2015

rockm said:
I don't really think it's all that expensive, compared to other online sources of similar stuff. Zach is also a straight up dealer. He will bend over backward for you. He also has a pretty decent eye for raw stock in the wild. I've seen comparably sized Bald cypress for instance for hundreds more at several sites online. Those trees range from iffy to downright pathetic.

Zach also knows the details in getting trees out of the ground and to the customer alive--details like burying BC and other species' root crowns instead of leaving them exposed. Exposed BC buttress roots will die off in a year or so if left exposed after they're dug up.

Thanks for the support, Mark. The bonsai biz is not an easy way to make money; you've got to love it. I've found over the decades that the best part of it is the long-term relationships you build. My eldest client just turned 88!

Zach

mattspinniken · Dec 11, 2015

rockm said:
Well, that's an English hawthorn. You want that, collect one off the English/Welsh moors. They only grow in the US as landscape stock. Hawthorn in the U.S. are a much more numerous, rambunctious and variable lot. They can range all over the place in bark, leaf shape and other stuff. Some look better than others.
http://www.treesforme.com/crataegus_hawthorn.html

Also FWIW, North America has about double or more plant species than Europe and the U.K. We have a lot more to choose from and more varied and extreme climates that produce trees more than equal to those in the U.K.

Rockm, I know it's English Hawthorn and would need to be collected there, that was why I posted it.

Interesting point on the number of species we have different areas etc. Maybe some of out best species haven't been tried enough yet.

Vin · Dec 11, 2015

hometeamrocker said:
Hornbeam, Hop Hornbeam, Bald and Pond Cypress, Beech, Hawthorn, Bush Honeysuckle, Black Ty Ty, Water Elm and Bradford Pear are all deciduous we have collected with success here in North and South Georgia. This year I think I'm going to try for a larger Red Maple or two, along with other above mentioned species I have been out tagging. Bring on collecting season!

I cannot believe it! After 2 years on this Forum someone actually mentioned Cyrilla (Titi). I have a couple in pots now (that I've collected) but I'm trying to find one with a more interesting trunk that has movement. I have plans for this species; in my opinion it's one of the better unknown/unused trees that can make interesting bonsai. We'll see..

Vin · Dec 11, 2015

Let's not forget Sweet Gum (not mine). I have been preparing one for collection for the past couple years and I'll be taking it in February if all goes well.

Steve Kudela · Dec 11, 2015

Vin said:
I cannot believe it! After 2 years on this Forum someone actually mentioned Cyrilla (Titi). I have a couple in pots now (that I've collected) but I'm trying to find one with a more interesting trunk that has movement. I have plans for this species; in my opinion it's one of the better unknown/unused trees that can make interesting bonsai. We'll see..

Hey folks, it's dark now, but I'll try to get pics of my Titi's and put them on tomorrow. They are not in bonsai pots yet, hopefully in the spring. 4 years out of the swamp, they develop fairly fast if they are healthy. I agree Vin. May put up pics of my old beech and live oak as well.

Steve Kudela · Dec 11, 2015

Vin said:
Let's not forget Sweet Gum (not mine). I have been preparing one for collection for the past couple years and I'll be taking it in February if all goes well.

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Good one!!!

Vin · Dec 11, 2015

Steve Kudela said:
Hey folks, it's dark now, but I'll try to get pics of my Titi's and put them on tomorrow. They are not in bonsai pots yet, hopefully in the spring. 4 years out of the swamp, they develop fairly fast if they are healthy. I agree Vin. May put up pics of my old beech and live oak as well.

I've got them all over the place here but the trunks are stove pipes

Can't wait to see yours!

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