Ben and Luke (Ulmus Parvifolia)

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I feel it pretty safe to say.......

That as long as you don't cut anything above it this year.....the quoted statement will come out to be true.

I haven't wired many elms since they are mostly just growing out....

But on J.Crack, Ficus Benjamin, a couple spruce, Boxwood, and probably a couple others....

I have torn branches off at the top from the trunk, and have split them like that too, and when they heal, they turn out nice....

Thing is, most of the time they end up swelling too far cuz they weren't cut as much...

So yours being cut so far, actually makes it better for a good future look IMO.

My Boxwood, which I split very similar, as far as meat left on, and reverse taper caused...
Has already healed to a point where it grew out the reverse taper and is once again strong with more meat holding it on.

Just keep the exposed wood as smooth as you can, clean, and you should be good to go.

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Sure, sounds good, thank you :). Curious to see the guys grow this season. Got a highly recommended pellet form fertiliser and liquid one too, have a schedule in mind. Should be a good growing season!
 

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Double it!

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Lol. Yeh I was reading Walter palls fertilising and was teeing schedule again. Aggressive watering, often fertilising and increased strength solution.
I might start normal then see about increasing.
I'll already be using the pellets + liquid fert.
 

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Lol. Yeh I was reading Walter palls fertilising and was teeing schedule again. Aggressive watering, often fertilising and increased strength solution.
I might start normal then see about increasing.
I'll already be using the pellets + liquid fert.
I start blasting the trees with fertilizer as soon as I see them growing. I stop when the leaves fall off in autumn.
I water every day rain or shine except when I know it's going to pour through my trees like when I water.
With completely inorganic substrate I've never had over watering problems. When you water you are giving the roots fresh air.
I will fertilize once a week for every tree but I hit elms I'm growing out twice a week. Could probably give them things fertilizer every day without ill effects. I use Miracle grow and Mir acid. The Mir acid is for conifers. Junipers and pines. I also toss a in scoop of Epsom salts once a month. I mix it by putting 5 heaping scoops( the large side of the scooper) of Miracle grow in a 2 gallon watering can. The color is a nice deep blue.
 

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I start blasting the trees with fertilizer as soon as I see them growing. I stop when the leaves fall off in autumn.
I water every day rain or shine except when I know it's going to pour through my trees like when I water.
With completely inorganic substrate I've never had over watering problems. When you water you are giving the roots fresh air.
I will fertilize once a week for every tree but I hit elms I'm growing out twice a week. Could probably give them things fertilizer every day without ill effects. I use Miracle grow and Mir acid. The Mir acid is for conifers. Junipers and pines. I also toss a in scoop of Epsom salts once a month. I mix it by putting 5 heaping scoops( the large side of the scooper) of Miracle grow in a 2 gallon watering can. The color is a nice deep blue.

Thanks for the info. Yes I certainly think I should increase dosage.
I am using Miracle Grow, general one, liquid, recommended dosage.
Recommended dosage at every 2 weeks, on 100% inorganics is probably being watered down and out so much that its pointless.

Also got Organic fert called Green Dream, from the UK. Comes quite highly recommended so I will be using that too.
 

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Ha ha Mike,

if we used that much fertiliser on an elm, wellllllllllllllll, a request would be made to Gogeerah
to repot it.

Conor,

miracle gro is pretty potent, be careful.

Presently 1/3 strength of Miracle Gro lawn fertiliser [ 12 N or so ] into moist soil, is making our
Fukien put out shoots slowly and regularly in the hot sun and dry, low humidity, windy weather.
No bugs, as the shoots are growing slowly and are probably bitter.

A higher dose would give sappy, tasty growth.

Yes, you can get faster growing shoots, but lookout for the bugs.
Good Day
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Heres an update on the 2 elms.
They look lovely and green. Notice the growth around the crown of Ben and also growth bursting through the sealant paste on Luke.

Your inside branches are still there @sorce
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There's quite a build up of white (chlorine I believe?) from the hard water that I have in my area, I don't believe its anything to worry about. Apart from not looking nice, it doesn't do any damage, as far as I am aware.

I do have 1 query. The broken apex of Luke, pics above show it has no green around it and no buds. Am I right in thinking this is just dead now and its probably best to remove it back to live growth, so it can start to heal?
 

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Hi Conor, you can remove dry branches now. But there is something circled on the pics that shouldn't be there. Woolly aphids, mealy bugs? And some webbing on the top between two dead branches.
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That was just fluff, it's blown away now.
We do get spiders and webs on a lot of trees, but having gone to look now, there's nothing.
There was a white muck build up that was stuck between a few leaves. Not sure if that's what you mentioned? I removed it. There's no bugs of any kind on leaves or branches. But I'll keep an eye on that daily.

The apex part I forgot I actually removed half the split before, hoped I could keep this part but looks like it's dead so I'll remove that too.
Doesn't impact much, brings the crown down and canopy more rounded in future design.

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Thank you though @petegreg :)
 

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Ah calcium, fair enough.
It couldn't cause an issue for anything, could it?
I imagine the only way is if it was extreme enough to cover leaves so much that it messes with photosynthesis.

I will do the pruning off of dead branches now. Then just let them continue growing :).
 

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Ben and luke look like some ancient old arthritic assholes who would curse you out for saying "good day". Does it look like a good day to you? Yea i love looking at my feet all day long.
 

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"Good Morning!" said Bilbo, and he meant it. The sun was shining, and the grass was very green. But Gandalf looked at him from under long bushy eyebrows that stuck out further than the brim of his shady hat.

"What do you mean?" he said. "Do you wish me a good morning, or mean that it is a good morning whether I want it or not; or that you feel good this morning; or that it is a morning to be good on?"

J.R.R. Tolkien, The Hobbit

You mean like that.

Yeah I do love the representation of age in these 2. Especially Ben. I regret putting them in same pot now but oh well.
I'm beginning to like these trees, I'm looking forward to hopefully developing them well and them looking great in the next 3-4 years.
 
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These guys grow like mad. Just cut back mine by the third time this year.
They seem to elongate shoots first. Then they stop and start ramifying the shoots. At least this is what mine does.
 

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These guys grow like mad. Just cut back mine by the third time this year.
They seem to elongate shoots first. Then they stop and start ramifying the shoots. At least this is what mine does.

Yeah they've always been known as strong growers. Smoke suggests cutting back often, even as much as weekly, as they respond very well to directional pruning and to keep the shoot internodes.
I'm not sure when to prune mine yet really. I think I'll let them go for now. Were repotted this year too, so they just need time.
 

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Just over a months growth. Regretting putting 2 elms in the same pot...

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@Wilson liking all my posts here made me think to put an update.. lol.
Pruning tips and timing are always welcome.
 

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Awesome brother! I tend to let them grow wild, then cut back. I believe the head Bnut explained the process in another thread. My 2 elms were just recently cut back for the first time this year.
 

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I drastically cut back my Chinese elm broom yest and an english elm got taken back today. nothing fancy about trimming elms, you either hedge prune or you prune for direction, movement and taper.
 

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Awesome brother! I tend to let them grow wild, then cut back. I believe the head Bnut explained the process in another thread. My 2 elms were just recently cut back for the first time this year.

Indeed, that was also my elm thread.
These guys won't be cut yet, bit longer to wait..

I drastically cut back my Chinese elm broom yest and an english elm got taken back today. nothing fancy about trimming elms, you either hedge prune or you prune for direction, movement and taper.

Don't worry, the Colin Lewis book is on its way! I'll make quick work of reading that, to apply knowledge to my elms.
Gonna use kyonal on this tomorrow too, remove that thick paste.
 
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