Weeping Bald Cypress Nursery Find

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So I got this weeping bald cypress for practically free. I don't expect this to be an award winning bonsai one day (we can wish tho right?) I can see it has some potential tho. I really want this to be a practice tree that I can learn from.

Even though I want to learn, I don't want to kill it! What should my first step be? Letting it grow more? Chopping the trunk? Repotting? Root prune? Heavy prune?
 

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I would consider planting in the ground for a couple of years and see if you can get some trunk flair and taper.
 

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I would if I could :/ unfortunately I still live at home and my parents aren't too fond of me just digging holes in the yard lol. I've been thinking about it all day and I think this might look good styled like a Sequoia. I'll post a pic in a bit. But about a foot up the trunk, something funky happens and it tapers
 

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It's not much, but it's kind of like the sudden trunk taper of giant Sequoias. Thinking of chopping it about 4-5 inches above that
 

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That "sudden" taper is from an old wound that broke the top out of it from the look of the knot on the left. The current leader looks to have replaced what broke off and left that knot behind. FWIW, this is kind of scrawny for a bald cypress, BUT you can chop the top back by at least a third and grow out a shorter leader then move onto developing the branch structure in the style you've mentioned.

Bald Cypress is in the same family as sequoia and redwood. It doesn't get as big (although older BC are huge), or as old (although there are 1,000 year old specimens growing in Black River swamps in N.C.), but in its immature state it can be pyramidal. Old trees have distinctive "flat top" canopies, as old BC tend to drop their lower branches in favor of upward apical growth.
 

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That "sudden" taper is from an old wound that broke the top out of it from the look of the knot on the left. The current leader looks to have replaced what broke off and left that knot behind. FWIW, this is kind of scrawny for a bald cypress, BUT you can chop the top back by at least a third and grow out a shorter leader then move onto developing the branch structure in the style you've mentioned.

Bald Cypress is in the same family as sequoia and redwood. It doesn't get as big (although older BC are huge), or as old (although there are 1,000 year old specimens growing in Black River swamps in N.C.), but in its immature state it can be pyramidal. Old trees have distinctive "flat top" canopies, as old BC tend to drop their lower branches in favor of upward apical growth.
Thank you for the info!! Think it's too late to chop? There are still some buds that haven't opened yet...
 

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The "sudden taper" is where the t. distichum "cascade falls" cultivar was grafted to standard t. distichum stock. The two halves will grow differently and if the tree were planted in a landscape, this difference will be very pronounced over time. In bonsai, grafting branches to a trunk is less noticeable than grafting a trunk to a trunk. In my opinion, grafted trunks never look good on bonsai. Grafted branches, however, can look great.

Two things to note from your photos:
  1. The change in color/texture of the bark
  2. Branches below the graft grow up; branches above the graft "weep" down.
I don't know if you could pot the tree so that the soil line is above the graft line and do things to encourage root growth from the graft. As I understand it, many cultivars that stray drastically from the original plant, don't root well at all.

My advice: Get a bald cypress. Bend the trunk as if it were a weeping BC. Graft actual weeping branches to the trunk.
 
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I would if I could :/ unfortunately I still live at home and my parents aren't too fond of me just digging holes in the yard lol. I've been thinking about it all day and I think this might look good styled like a Sequoia. I'll post a pic in a bit. But about a foot up the trunk, something funky happens and it tapers
Does your mom have a vegetable garden? If not see if you can clear a small section to ground grow trees in that you agree to help her convert to a veggie garden when you move out. That or try to get a parent hooked on bonsai also. Lol
 

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@BillsBayou has it right, this is a grafted tree.

The pot size is not too small, if media is draining well, you could put off repotting until next year.

About training bonsai, you never automatically chop, prune, trim, pinch or wire without a plan, or goal in mind. So putting up the photos, and asking where to chop is meaningless, because you have not told us what image you want to create. Different images, designs, would require different techniques. So tell us what you would like to see this become. It is your tree, you get to draw the picture for the future.

Personally, I love a weeping tree. I also love the normal upright form of bald cypress. If you are willing to put a decade in to the project, the tree could become two or more nice trees, one weeping, one upright. If you are in a hurry, this tree does not have much potential.

Keep it growing, stand it in a tray of water a few inches deep for the summer, it will help speed growth. Moderate fertilizer and full sun are good.

In June, when weather is warm attempt to root an air layer of the weeping part. Make your attempt as far from the trunk graft as possible. Reason is that there is a better than 50:50 chance the layer will fail. You want to have plenty of weeping tree left in case you kill your first attempt. Do only one air layer at a time, ignore those who say you can do multiple air layers. Your new at this, BC is not as easy as an elm to air layer. It may even take more than one season to root. Don't rush it. I have had JBP take 2 and 3 years to root. I also have had about half fail. It is not fool proof.

Once the first air layer has rooted, you remove it, pot it up and then decide if you want a second own root weeping BC.

That is what I would do this year with you tree.
 

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@BillsBayou has it right, this is a grafted tree.

The pot size is not too small, if media is draining well, you could put off repotting until next year.

About training bonsai, you never automatically chop, prune, trim, pinch or wire without a plan, or goal in mind. So putting up the photos, and asking where to chop is meaningless, because you have not told us what image you want to create. Different images, designs, would require different techniques. So tell us what you would like to see this become. It is your tree, you get to draw the picture for the future.

Personally, I love a weeping tree. I also love the normal upright form of bald cypress. If you are willing to put a decade in to the project, the tree could become two or more nice trees, one weeping, one upright. If you are in a hurry, this tree does not have much potential.

Keep it growing, stand it in a tray of water a few inches deep for the summer, it will help speed growth. Moderate fertilizer and full sun are good.

In June, when weather is warm attempt to root an air layer of the weeping part. Make your attempt as far from the trunk graft as possible. Reason is that there is a better than 50:50 chance the layer will fail. You want to have plenty of weeping tree left in case you kill your first attempt. Do only one air layer at a time, ignore those who say you can do multiple air layers. Your new at this, BC is not as easy as an elm to air layer. It may even take more than one season to root. Don't rush it. I have had JBP take 2 and 3 years to root. I also have had about half fail. It is not fool proof.

Once the first air layer has rooted, you remove it, pot it up and then decide if you want a second own root weeping BC.

That is what I would do this year with you tree.
Thank you for all the information! You might not have seen the comment, but my vision for this guy is to style it like a giant Sequoia. Sequoias fat, taper-less trunk kinda matches this guy's style already.

So with that being said, I think my plan of attack is to air layer, use the normal BC for the Sequoia, and the weeping... We'll cross that bridge if the air layer is successful lol
 

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@BillsBayou has it right, this is a grafted tree.

The pot size is not too small, if media is draining well, you could put off repotting until next year.

About training bonsai, you never automatically chop, prune, trim, pinch or wire without a plan, or goal in mind. So putting up the photos, and asking where to chop is meaningless, because you have not told us what image you want to create. Different images, designs, would require different techniques. So tell us what you would like to see this become. It is your tree, you get to draw the picture for the future.

Personally, I love a weeping tree. I also love the normal upright form of bald cypress. If you are willing to put a decade in to the project, the tree could become two or more nice trees, one weeping, one upright. If you are in a hurry, this tree does not have much potential.

Keep it growing, stand it in a tray of water a few inches deep for the summer, it will help speed growth. Moderate fertilizer and full sun are good.

In June, when weather is warm attempt to root an air layer of the weeping part. Make your attempt as far from the trunk graft as possible. Reason is that there is a better than 50:50 chance the layer will fail. You want to have plenty of weeping tree left in case you kill your first attempt. Do only one air layer at a time, ignore those who say you can do multiple air layers. Your new at this, BC is not as easy as an elm to air layer. It may even take more than one season to root. Don't rush it. I have had JBP take 2 and 3 years to root. I also have had about half fail. It is not fool proof.

Once the first air layer has rooted, you remove it, pot it up and then decide if you want a second own root weeping BC.

That is what I would do this year with you tree.

Doesn't make that much difference if the soil drains well. Better if it doesn't drain too well.
 
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