0soyoung
Imperial Masterpiece
Its always like that, the first time.
Air layered my mallsai
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Its always like that, the first time.
Lol. I feel like I attract those kinda jokes.. If it's not you, it's Lance lol, except he always has a flashy gif to go with it...
What do you think, first time, did I do good?
0soyoung
Imperial Masterpiece
Yes, you did well - it is how I got started, but I layered a strange secondary trunk on an a. palmatum 'ukigumo'. It proved to be the top of the generic a. palmatum root stock - turned it into more than a dozen trees and learned alot about tree physiology along the way. I'm still trying to make them into legit bonsai (i.e., the hard part is still in front of you).Lol. I feel like I attract those kinda jokes.. If it's not you, it's Lance lol, except he always has a flashy gif to go with it...
What do you think, first time, did I do good?
Sorry, for no flashy gif - maybe @LanceMac10 will make things right!
Yes, you did well - it is how I got started, but I layered a strange secondary trunk on an a. palmatum 'ukigumo'. It proved to be the top of the generic a. palmatum root stock - turned it into more than a dozen trees and learned alot about tree physiology along the way. I'm still trying to make them into legit bonsai (i.e., the hard part is still in front of you).
Sorry, for no flashy gif - maybe @LanceMac10 will make things right!
He will probably be here shortly to do so
.Surely the hard part is always in front of us lol, doesn't look like it ever gets easier! But nothing worth doing, is easy! I didn't go in to bonsai, looking for something easy and quick.
. Thanks for your comment.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Nice!
They both look better!
Big cheers!
Sorce
They both look better!
Big cheers!
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Hell.....
Chopping, cleaning, pasting, potting...
The aftercare.
I'd say you learned yourself a bunch!
Well done!
Sorce
Chopping, cleaning, pasting, potting...
The aftercare.
I'd say you learned yourself a bunch!
Well done!
Sorce
LanceMac10
Imperial Masterpiece
I see no need for clever gifs here.......Cat had a plan, did research, asked the right questions and did the work. Looks, initially, like a smashing success!!
Give it some shade for a bit, observe it, see if it has a little too much top growth for the existing root system, then maybe cut back a little.
More than anything, just leave it alone and let it sort itself out.
Looks like a top job, great work!
OK......maybe you can dance a little..... show that sweet lil' package!!
Give it some shade for a bit, observe it, see if it has a little too much top growth for the existing root system, then maybe cut back a little.
More than anything, just leave it alone and let it sort itself out.
Looks like a top job, great work!
OK......maybe you can dance a little.....
show that sweet lil' package!!Cheers. Any concerns about winter? I don't think it'll be established enough by October and September to go fully unprotected in winter. Although our winter is still not greatly cold, lows of -4 really, nothing colder. The elm can handle down to -10 but of course this is not established.
Apart from that, this mix I'm using is largely inorganic with a few bits of sphag moss in there. Any advice on watering frequency? I've never had such an inorganic mix before. I know it all depends on the climate but it seems to me like it's need watering nearly 2x as often.
I see no need for clever gifs here.......Cat had a plan, did research, asked the right questions and did the work. Looks, initially, like a smashing success!!
Give it some shade for a bit, observe it, see if it has a little too much top growth for the existing root system, then maybe cut back a little.
More than anything, just leave it alone and let it sort itself out.
Looks like a top job, great work!
OK......maybe you can dance a little.....
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. "Little", speak for yourself .LanceMac10
Imperial Masterpiece
More the trees as the "sweet lil' package"......
I'm a mick...and have been accused of being hung like a light-switch.....funny thing is, it always works for me!
Just keep a watchful eye...droopy foliage, leaves fall or turn black, yellow, that sort of thing......
I'm a mick...and have been accused of being hung like a light-switch.....funny thing is, it always works for me!
Just keep a watchful eye...droopy foliage, leaves fall or turn black, yellow, that sort of thing......
Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
Hmm patience is what we need for doing chores - like cleaning the toilet.
When you move a tree from zone x to zone y, you normally have to acclimate.
I would suggest learning on cuttings -- in the case of an elm, perhaps a root cutting .
Elms do better if ground grown for trunk size and refined afterwards.
[ all of our elm stock is from around London, via Holland from China ]
The mother elms all acclimated and now take a rest after Chrismas for a month to 6 weeks.
Seems to be shorter days and not cold that induces dormancy.
Leaves begin to brown and crack, then fall to be followed by bright green buds.
First Chinese elms for our part of the tropics were around 1980, all still alive, and never indoors - full sun.
Doing nicely.
Wishing you well.
Good Day
Anthony
When you move a tree from zone x to zone y, you normally have to acclimate.
I would suggest learning on cuttings -- in the case of an elm, perhaps a root cutting .
Elms do better if ground grown for trunk size and refined afterwards.
[ all of our elm stock is from around London, via Holland from China ]
The mother elms all acclimated and now take a rest after Chrismas for a month to 6 weeks.
Seems to be shorter days and not cold that induces dormancy.
Leaves begin to brown and crack, then fall to be followed by bright green buds.
First Chinese elms for our part of the tropics were around 1980, all still alive, and never indoors - full sun.
Doing nicely.
Wishing you well.
Good Day
Anthony
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
They should put a lot of roots in before winter....
I'm not big on winter protection.
It's live or die for me!
F weak shit!
Sorce
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
LanceMac10
Imperial Masterpiece
Good lord!! Don't I wish! Although I always saw it that way, but I'm biased.
Cute couple, but not my thing....
I do like to watch people's mannerisms and how they use their hands, though...is that weird?
The lady cups that switch like it's a new born puppy or the Hope diamond......nice
The dude is poking that thing like it's on the grill 'Duh, is this 'ting dun yet? Looks a little baked, too
Wait a minute, what are we talking about.....
Cute couple, but not my thing....
I do like to watch people's mannerisms and how they use their hands, though...is that weird?
The lady cups that switch like it's a new born puppy or the Hope diamond......nice
The dude is poking that thing like it's on the grill
'Duh, is this 'ting dun yet? Looks a little baked, tooWait a minute, what are we talking about.....
Good lord!! Don't I wish! Although I always saw it that way, but I'm biased.
Cute couple, but not my thing....
I do like to watch people's mannerisms and how they use their hands, though...is that weird?
The lady cups that switch like it's a new born puppy or the Hope diamond......nice
The dude is poking that thing like it's on the grill
Wait a minute, what are we talking about.....
There will be times when a topic goes off topic, maybe by me or someone else and I will reference this post by you because I dont believe I've ever seen something so off topic before lol.
You can tell by the guys face that this is not a normal occurance for him, the lady, it clearly is.
Alright, well I guess ill see how its going nearer the time
Hmm patience is what we need for doing chores - like cleaning the toilet.
When you move a tree from zone x to zone y, you normally have to acclimate.
I would suggest learning on cuttings -- in the case of an elm, perhaps a root cutting .
Elms do better if ground grown for trunk size and refined afterwards.
[ all of our elm stock is from around London, via Holland from China ]
The mother elms all acclimated and now take a rest after Chrismas for a month to 6 weeks.
Seems to be shorter days and not cold that induces dormancy.
Leaves begin to brown and crack, then fall to be followed by bright green buds.
First Chinese elms for our part of the tropics were around 1980, all still alive, and never indoors - full sun.
Doing nicely.
Wishing you well.
Good Day
Anthony
Thanks for your comment. I have these 2 for now to learn on, and a Maple. I quite like maples more but I wont get any new stock till next year I think. Plenty of learning to be had on these at the moment
Anyone remember this thread?
Just shy of a year now since they were separated and I believe they have done well, grown well and now they are pretty wild looking.
So its next steps...
Both seem like raw material now so I need to make some drastic cut backs, but there's probably a few different strategies.
Here's how they look:
All their branches or at least most need removing as they are all sorts of wrong, this was always going to be a long term project.. However there is one idea which struck me...
The top half (first pics) has a nice little twisted trunk, I think it'd be a cool shohin in many years time, but as far as its development now, I feel like I just need to cut everything off... but don't think I can do that all in 1 go. Or there was the idea of using some of these long whips for approach grafting, getting a head start on developing some branchs...
Thoughts, ideas, opinions, wild bat shit crazy theories (looking at you @sorce )?
I'd appreciate your input @M. Frary , with your experience in elms, if you don't mind. You have the mind of "cut it off and hope it lives" which I think these would benefit from!
Just shy of a year now since they were separated and I believe they have done well, grown well and now they are pretty wild looking.
So its next steps...
Both seem like raw material now so I need to make some drastic cut backs, but there's probably a few different strategies.
Here's how they look:
All their branches or at least most need removing as they are all sorts of wrong, this was always going to be a long term project.. However there is one idea which struck me...
The top half (first pics) has a nice little twisted trunk, I think it'd be a cool shohin in many years time, but as far as its development now, I feel like I just need to cut everything off... but don't think I can do that all in 1 go. Or there was the idea of using some of these long whips for approach grafting, getting a head start on developing some branchs...
Thoughts, ideas, opinions, wild bat shit crazy theories (looking at you @sorce )?
I'd appreciate your input @M. Frary , with your experience in elms, if you don't mind. You have the mind of "cut it off and hope it lives" which I think these would benefit from!
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Looks great bro!
If you didn't watch that free Mirai Video..
You totally should!
I'd say in a month you can whack it all off.
You've moved along pretty fast...
And demonstrate a great ability to retain good information...
So stop asking newb Ass questions!
Just kidding..
But seriously....
You got this!
Well Done!
Sorce
If you didn't watch that free Mirai Video..
You totally should!
I'd say in a month you can whack it all off.
You've moved along pretty fast...
And demonstrate a great ability to retain good information...
So stop asking newb Ass questions!
Just kidding..
But seriously....
You got this!
Well Done!
Sorce
Looks great bro!
If you didn't watch that free Mirai Video..
You totally should!
I'd say in a month you can whack it all off.
You've moved along pretty fast...
And demonstrate a great ability to retain good information...
So stop asking newb Ass questions!
Just kidding..
But seriously....
You got this!
Well Done!
Sorce
Ill be a newb for a while yet
. But thank you buddy. I have been trying to get through that vid, had it on my phone for weeks now. 2 hours long, Im maybe 45 mins in, I gotta watch it all. It is very informative . Im guessing you are referring to waiting till Summer vefore making drastic cut backs?What do you think of the last pic as a plan? Would leave a large scar but not too bad that it'll never heal and a canopy over it will hide the scar.
sorce
Nonsense Rascal
Bonsai Nut
Nuttier than your average Nut
Great job! This is the time to be pruning those elms. Don't make the two elm pruning mistakes:
(1) If you want the branch to be thicker, don't touch it. Particularly if you are trying to get thickness into an apex (for example). If the branch is shading out the interior of the tree, remove foliage from the interior of the branch (leaf strip it) while leaving all the leaves on the end of the branch. Do NOT shorten the branch or cut the apical meristem (the end tip of the branch).
(2) If the branch is thick enough, cut back to two leaves. Not three, or four, or six. Cut all the way back.
This is the time to completely remove the branches you don't want. Given the time of year, don't forget to use waterproof cut paste on the wounds.
If people make any mistake, they tend to overprune the long growth they are supposed to keep, and underprune the tight ramification growth that they need to keep tight and ramified.
(1) If you want the branch to be thicker, don't touch it. Particularly if you are trying to get thickness into an apex (for example). If the branch is shading out the interior of the tree, remove foliage from the interior of the branch (leaf strip it) while leaving all the leaves on the end of the branch. Do NOT shorten the branch or cut the apical meristem (the end tip of the branch).
(2) If the branch is thick enough, cut back to two leaves. Not three, or four, or six. Cut all the way back.
This is the time to completely remove the branches you don't want. Given the time of year, don't forget to use waterproof cut paste on the wounds.
If people make any mistake, they tend to overprune the long growth they are supposed to keep, and underprune the tight ramification growth that they need to keep tight and ramified.
