Shortleaf pine

milehigh_7 · May 27, 2017

After doing a bunch of research, I do think they could be a great species for bonsai. The problem will be that they throw deep tap roots and if the tap is disturbed they generate new tap roots. It may be that collecting them will be difficult. However, they will bud back apparently. I think the ones I got were dead before they got to me but they really had a nice look to them. I might try again. If a person grew them from seed in a strainer... Well, they might just be on to something.

Rusty Davis · May 28, 2017

Thank you @Grant Hamby ...great pics and on the ground research! I'm so jelouse looking at those pics! I have a good 60 seedlings I can experiment with. If I don't do them all in I will hand deliver you some in a year or two.

Grant Hamby · May 28, 2017

Vance Wood said:
Where were these photos taken.

An area in Arkansas called Sam's Throne

Grant Hamby · May 28, 2017

Rusty Davis said:
Thank you @Grant Hamby ...great pics and on the ground research! I'm so jelouse looking at those pics! I have a good 60 seedlings I can experiment with. If I don't do them all in I will hand deliver you some in a year or two.

Thanks! I'm excited to see how your experiments turn out!

Rusty Davis · May 28, 2017

Well for better or worst.. I pulled 10 of the seedlings and cut the tap root off and planted in 4" terracotta pots.

Adair M · May 28, 2017

Rusty Davis said:
Well for better or worst.. I pulled 10 of the seedlings and cut the tap root off and planted in 4" terracotta pots.

You know why trees grow tap roots, don't you? They're not to feed the tree. They provide stability. So the tree won't get knocked over by wind, rain and snow.

Radial roots are what takes up the water and nutrients. That's why we wire trees into pots. The wire serves the same purpose as the tap root.

GGB · Jun 12, 2017

I found an incredible nursery near me that ONLY sells native trees. I spent money on some older pitch pines this year but I think next year I'll be trying short leaf, they seemed like they back budded very readily but I noticed the foliage was a little rough. Maybe PA is a little too cold?

R3x · Jun 12, 2017

Rusty Davis said:
Okay seeds on order!

Where did you order them?

Rusty Davis · Jun 13, 2017

I picked mine up from Sheffield's seed company. Put them in the fridge for 30 days and planted. I'd say most popped up. I pulled 10 and cut off the roots and replanted, they seem ok some 20 to 30 days after that.

Rusty Davis · Jun 13, 2017

@GGB from what I remember they do come up into southern Illinois a little. You should be good with an unheated garage through the winter, I would think.

Waltron · Jun 13, 2017

wow sweet photos man. those last 2 seem to look fairly easy to collect and haul.. and uhh those are some bangers. just sayin.

Grant Hamby · Jun 13, 2017

Waltron said:
wow sweet photos man. those last 2 seem to look fairly easy to collect and haul.. and uhh those are some bangers. just sayin.

Yeah I might have to see about getting a permit... I reeeeeally want to get into collecting. I definitely have a lot to learn about it first.

R3x · Jun 15, 2017

Rusty Davis said:
I picked mine up from Sheffield's seed company. Put them in the fridge for 30 days and planted. I'd say most popped up. I pulled 10 and cut off the roots and replanted, they seem ok some 20 to 30 days after that.

Looked up few interesting pine species and found out they do not export any of them to Slovakia :-(

Rusty Davis · Jun 15, 2017

@R3x that's a bummer but you should have lots of fun ones over there!

GGB · Jun 15, 2017

Checked out a map of their native range and it extends into PA, but weirdly only into the coldest parts of the mountains. Sort of confusing since the rest are all southern but maybe the map wasn't deadly accurate

R3x · Jun 15, 2017

Rusty Davis said:
@R3x that's a bummer but you should have lots of fun ones over there!

Well there are some: in the woods in nearby hills there is mostly Scots pines, some common spruce - when talking about conifers. However these are mostly mild environments where not many interesting trees can be found.
In mountains (High Tatras - harsh environment - lots of interesting trees) that are few hundred kilometers away you can find mugos and junipers but these are protected areas where you're forbidden to collect.

I'm always interested in interesting species - just wanted to give it a try. No big deal.

Rusty Davis · Sep 4, 2017

Well they do bud low

GGB · Sep 4, 2017

@Rusty Davis maybe I'm crazy but those ground level buds are starting to drive me crazy on my pitch pines. I cover the trunks in aluminum foil to stop it from happening. I have found that some trees are more prone to it. The biggest problem it's presenting me is inverse taper issues on my nice old trunks. At the risk of being over dramatic I'm mildly devestated. I can't work on a few trees without them throwing buds in ridiculous places. Just take that into consideration when designing your trees. Maybe you won't find it's an issue. I haven't quit on p. Rigida but I'm focusing on Virginia pine next season

Rusty Davis · Sep 4, 2017

@GGB I will definitely keep that in mind.

R3x · Sep 5, 2017

GGB said:
@Rusty Davis maybe I'm crazy but those ground level buds are starting to drive me crazy on my pitch pines. I cover the trunks in aluminum foil to stop it from happening. I have found that some trees are more prone to it. The biggest problem it's presenting me is inverse taper issues on my nice old trunks. At the risk of being over dramatic I'm mildly devestated. I can't work on a few trees without them throwing buds in ridiculous places. Just take that into consideration when designing your trees. Maybe you won't find it's an issue. I haven't quit on p. Rigida but I'm focusing on Virginia pine next season

On the other hand it could be an easy and convenient way to start growing multi-trunk trees. Would someone send me few dozen seeds?

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