Rule of thumb for scrolls...number of chop marks

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No, you got it...the scroll that was posted on the link has normal size hashira. The ones attached by Van Fleet San have narrow hashira (pillars) or in other words the frame to the side of the painting.

How does that affect the display?

The "normal size" hashira I think sadly distracts from the original art work. It's the first thing I noticed about the scroll the first time I seen it. Wondering why it was so large...But...if it's normal size...then my thinking must be wrong.

The narrower gives more sleeker lines...allowing ones eye to be drawn to the art itself. (My opinion)
 

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The "normal size" hashira I think sadly distracts from the original art work. It's the first thing I noticed about the scroll the first time I seen it. Wondering why it was so large...But...if it's normal size...then my thinking must be wrong.

The narrower gives more sleeker lines...allowing ones eye to be drawn to the art itself. (My opinion)

Maybe normal is the wrong word...
Narrow hashira are the defining characteristic of rinpo hyougu scrolls which are classified as the most informal according to the book Hyougu no Shiori, by Yamamoto Gen.

These sleeker lines draw your eye to the art...but which art? The first rule of bonsai display is that the tree should be the focal point of the display. Look again at the pictures of the displays. A good display will always make your eye see first the tree, and tree only! Then after you have soaked in the details of the tree your eye will wander to the other items separately and try to piece together the story.

The narrow hashira, at least to my eye helps eliminate distraction from the eye and projects the bonsai into the forefront...
 
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Now...I always assumed Japanese went for simplicity with their scrolls. I have been looking at some on a few auction sites. And some are covered in chop marks. Which puzzled me. For it seemed to distract from the actual art. (In my opinion) That said...could someone please explain the rule of thumb for chop marks on a scroll...as to how many can be placed on one? And the reasoning behind on having so many...
When you see chops that are not near the signature, and not up in a corner, there is a traditional explanation...
In ancient China, the various owners of a wall scroll (as it is sold or passed along) may put their signature chop on the artwork. Another practice is that a high official (in some cases, as high as a member of the emperor's court) might put a chop mark on artwork that they like. This was kind of a "seal of approval" to show the world it is good art. You'll see this on old scrolls hanging in museums around China. However, I presume this scroll is a more modern reproduction, and the chops have been added to give it that old look.

The artist will generally place one or two square chops below their written signature (and below an inscription if present). The artist may also have an oval or oblong "personal stamp" which will often be placed at the upper right corner (no rule for this, but that's generally where it ends up). The personal stamp may have the artist's favorite proverb or some message of meaning to them. The secret is, that personal chop is also used to tell the wall scroll maker where to crop the raw artwork before it's mounted as a wall scroll. So it's a message to the mounter that says, "this white space is intentional, don't crop me here."

The practice of ownership stamping or officials placing their seals on art they like did not really cross over the strait to Japan. At least it's far more common in China.

The artwork in question appears to depict the karst mountain landscapes on the Li River near Guilin in southern China.
 
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