Ashe Juniper heading back home.

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Ashe juniper is very rarely monoecious (male and female cones on the same plant). Usually its dioecious. Seperate males and females. Its the most abundant tree where I live and I've never heard it called post cedar. But it does make nice fence posts so ill take you're word for it. Most often called mountain cedar. It does not to my knowledge overlap with southwestern white pine. In texas southwestern white pine is only in a few small places in West Texas, mostly the guadalupes. In those places alligator juniper replaces ashe juniper. I'm surprised you said it hybridizes ... I hadn't heard that. It s somewhat unique in that it is a winter not spring pollinator. Pollen season here has already peaked....
 

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Ashe juniper is very rarely monoecious (male and female cones on the same plant). Usually its dioecious. Seperate males and females. Its the most abundant tree where I live and I've never heard it called post cedar. But it does make nice fence posts so ill take you're word for it. Most often called mountain cedar. It does not to my knowledge overlap with southwestern white pine. In texas southwestern white pine is only in a few small places in West Texas, mostly the guadalupes. In those places alligator juniper replaces ashe juniper. I'm surprised you said it hybridizes ... I hadn't heard that. It s somewhat unique in that it is a winter not spring pollinator. Pollen season here has already peaked....

Absolutely correct - it’s dioecious. I reversed the definitions - must be getting old. Thanks for the correction.

Interesting to note that the Ashe I looked at in the Bay Area is full of pollen cones right now.

Here’s a forest service site referencing the hybrid swarms of Ashe and ERC. They list three refs saying they do and one saying they don’t.

https://www.fs.fed.us/database/feis/plants/tree/junvir/all.html

Do you collect them?

S
 

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I agree it can be a nice species for bonsai. And that unfortunately it is hard to collect, not because it is sensitive, but because it grows in terrible, heavy, rocky, limestone rubble. I dug a small one last week behind my place. I've got my eye on a bigger one.
 

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This is the problem I’m having collecting these Beautufl ERC from these limestone rock faces , I hope to update his spring and summer as I find more collectible material it is a tiresome process that can take many days, patience and persistence
 

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Last week was my last serious attempt at collecting one. I just got a small tree that was diggable. I've picked out two larger ones. It would be easy to get permission to collect these. They are despised for their prolific pollen. It makes everyone sick.
 

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I agree it can be a nice species for bonsai. And that unfortunately it is hard to collect, not because it is sensitive, but because it grows in terrible, heavy, rocky, limestone rubble. I dug a small one last week behind my place. I've got my eye on a bigger one.

That’s what I’ve found where I’ve dug them as well and why I jumped on this one when it was offered. Good movement and deadwood and the caliche is all cleaned out.

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That’s what I’ve found where I’ve dug them as well and why I jumped on this one when it was offered. Good movement and deadwood and the caliche is all cleaned out.

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Well good luck. Most of the time when I dig trees out of that kind of soil they end up being bare root because of all the big rocks. The cedar elms and hackberry don't mind.
 

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While out west this past summer I was running around drooling over all these beauts, wife thought I was crazy but understood !! Lol and a few randoms

The terrain and plant life is so different from where i live , I live in a dense humid jungle

Of course I Had to ask the local senior citizens to take a quick foto for the early morning drunken Kentucky tourist ??
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Some nice stuff in those pics. Eventually people will figure out that pinyon pines are perfect for bonsai , in an acceptable climate at least. They are small, slow growing, drought and heat tolerant, and live for hundreds of years
 

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They are beautiful , needle size and color are as magnificent as any pine , I would collect them if they were here , you see a few From time to time
 

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Well good luck. Most of the time when I dig trees out of that kind of soil they end up being bare root because of all the big rocks. The cedar elms and hackberry don't mind.

It’s in good shape - dug more than 15 years ago. It’s been repotted four times and all the field soil is gone. At least that’s what I’ve been told by the previous two owners, but I think they are reliable.

S
 

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Some nice stuff in those pics. Eventually people will figure out that pinyon pines are perfect for bonsai , in an acceptable climate at least. They are small, slow growing, drought and heat tolerant, and live for hundreds of years
Yes, they would be perfect - if they weren't so hard to collect. Around here, most of them have terrible roots, usually with an extremely deep tap root. I've killed several (my worst species for survival). But this past fall, I collected one with the best roots I've ever seen on a piñon (meaning it actually had some). It was in a heavy white clay/fine sand soil. So far, it's in the best shape of any I've collected, hasn't missed a beat. If the buds open this spring, I'll be ecstatic. Here's a photo (sorry to hijack the thread, Scott):
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Great tree, excited to see it's future development! Those pics don't quite do it justice with everything in the background. Please keep us updated.
 
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