How to do a big cutting on Pomegranate

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Hi all,
As the promise to Leatherback, I create this post with the hope of helping whoever wants to make a big cutting on pomegranate. I believe this technique is going to work for other specimens as well. If you have any question, please ask. Besides the cutting technique, one might find the way of obtaining the yamadori specimen for bonsai when one carefully read through below story! :) Here we are.

These are big promegranate cuttings. The tree was grown in an old Hispanic nursery garden which was sold to some development company later. On the way to daily work for years, I had always glimpsed the tree and amazed how big it was. It was about 15 foot height and 20 foot width with a lot of red flowers and fruits. In July 2016, the nursery was closed completely. The early morning of August 25, 2016, I drove by that nursery to work as usual, and suddenly I found the demolition workers started working on that property. That time, I knew right away that I had to act to get pomegranate. By the way, that nursery had pine, California pepper, American elm planted in the ground, but I just wanted to get pomegranate. In that afternoon, because I luckily had some free time, I drove back to the nursery and talked to the workers to see if I could get the pomegranate trunks and roots for free. Surprisingly, the team leader said that I could get the trunks but I had to pay for it. Usually the demolition workers wants to get rid off these trees branches so that they don’t have to haul them away. I think that man saw my drooling when I observed the tree closely. It was really big with 3 big trunks.
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Because the tree was so big, I would need a chainsaw to cut it down. I agreed to pay for the tree but the workers had to cut it down for me. I showed them how to cut piece by piece. I just wanted to take the trunk closed to ground and some big branches. I actually wanted to get the whole rootage more than anything else, but the worker said that it would need more money for him to dug it out with machine. I wonder if I should pay more money for the rootage. Finally, I said no because I already had quite a bit of pomegranates at home.

The deal was done. Then, I had to asked my friend who had a pick up truck to come and transport the pomegranate pieces. We got about 10 nice pieces of wood. I kept 3 and 7 to my friend.

As soon as they got to my garden on 8/29/18 , I placed them in the cement mix container bought at Home Depot. Then poured the water mixed with vitamin B1 and Rootone. Most of the time I don’t use rootone in cutting, but because these pieces were too big, I did not want to take a chance!

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Then I used a large plastic bag to cover them completely. I let them soaked in the fluid almost 20 hours.
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If you know someone working in the furniture store, you can ask them for the good quality large plastic bag.

The next day, I started working on these pieces. Please remember, these pieces had no root at all. At first, I prepared the soil for it. The soil content included pumice: mini pine bark with 1:1 ratio.

This was a first piece. Its lower stump diameter were about 12”.
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I used reciprocal saw to flat the base as desired and placed it in the plastic container. The pot was placed at the area which received afternoon sun about one hour daily. After water it well, I also placed 2 misty heads into the pot to create the nice humidity environment around the cutting.
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The misty heads were faced upward!
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And I used the plastic bag to cover the whole cutting and pot.
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The 2nd piece had lower stump diameter about 15”.
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Its superior cut surface. I can see its hollow trunk all the way from one end to other end.
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After the inferior end was cut flat with reciprocal saw.
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It has a big cavity in the lower aspect
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The inferior surface
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Now it was resided into the plastic pot. It was placed in same area as the 1st one. It was water well and the upward facing misty heads were placed inside the pot. The clear plastic bag was used to cover the piece and pot completely.
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The 3rd piece was much smaller, its lower stump diameter was about 6”. It was also in the same process with other two.
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The misty system was set to run in 10 minutes once a day. I wish I could reduce watering duration but because this misty line was used in the same line with other trees! But it was still fine, except water waste!
 

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On 9/8/16, I could see some new buds
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And roots on the wall !!!!
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On 9/17/16 (about 2 weeks from the cutting)
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Roots were longer!
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On 9/24/16
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The sign of burning from the water on one leaf.
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On 11/13/16. The plastic bags were still on!
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On 3/10/17, the plastic bags were removed completely
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The 3rd one on 5/31/17. It was sold later on.
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On 2/6/18, I started training the 2nd one
Before
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After removed all except some and wired them down
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Future plan for this tree
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And started training for the 1st one on 1/29/18.
Before.
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After removed all except some and wired down
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On 4/22/18, they were in full growth speed.
The 1st one
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The 2nd one
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Since plastic bag removal in 2007, they have been fed heavily with organic and inorganic fertilizers. They are going to have another round of training soon.

I hope you will enjoy reading this topic ! :)
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Wow... Those are some LARGE cuttings!

100% High huminity, reduced sunlight are core here I suppose? Or do you think the rootone is crucial?
 

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leatherback, post: 607220, member: 16946"]Wow... Those are some LARGE cuttings!
The largest cutting which I had is 19" !

100% High huminity, reduced sunlight are core here I suppose? Or do you think the rootone is crucial
I don't think rootone helps much! The reason I wrote so is that in October 2017, I got 3 pomegranate cutting with diameter were much much smaller, by the same method, but no one survived! The lesson is that the time of cutting is very important for success.
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I hope you will enjoy reading this topic ! :)
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Yes, you bet we do!
And we have questions, too :)
The timing for this operation was imposed by factors out of your choice, was it not?
Do you think that it was crucial for the successful results?
If you were to get some other equally big cuttings, would you opt for different timing?
Thank you for sharing, Thụ Thoại!


edit : looks like you were posting just before I did...
 

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Yes, you bet we do!
And we have questions, too :)
The timing for this operation was imposed by factors out of your choice, was it not?
Do you think that it was crucial for the successful results?
If you were to get some other equally big cuttings, would you opt for different timing?
Thank you for sharing, Thụ Thoại!

edit : looks like you were posting just before I did...
For me, the good time to make a pomegranate cutting is a period from the end of the spring until the end of the summer in my area.
Yes, some time we can not choose the time, like last year, my friend gave me 3 cuttings in October. When I received them, I told my friend that I would try to do cutting at that time, but the succeed rate would be very low. My friend did not believe me, The result was no one survived!
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When do the pomegranate go dormant where you are? I am surprised that they had enough growth to make it through winter.
I think my pomegranate will be fully dormant by January.
 

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When do the pomegranate go dormant where you are? I am surprised that they had enough growth to make it through winter.
I think my pomegranate will be fully dormant by January.
It depends on where I place the pomegranate. If it is in north side of the house, it will go into dormant in mid- December. If it is in the east side, it will go dormant in early January . If it is in west side, it will go dormant in mid- January.
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These pomegranates placed in the north side have all leaves turn yellow
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These two pomegranates placed in the west side still have a lot of green leaves.
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Thank you for sharing! Did your friend who took the other 7 cuttings have luck with rooting them? I don't know how much you paid to have the workers cut them, but I bet it was worth it when compared to what a tree would normally cost with a trunk of that diameter!
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Those are some cuttings. Thank you for the photos and information. You do great work.
 

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These pomegranates placed in the north side have all leaves turn yellow
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These two pomegranates placed in the west side still have a lot of green leaves.
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Thank you for the great pics and information! I was wondering if you change the placement of your pomegranates when it gets closer to your hot summers? It looks like you have them on concrete tile at this time?
Thanks so much!
 

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Interesting and very informative thankyou! What was approx temperature range during rooting process?
 

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Thank you for sharing! Did your friend who took the other 7 cuttings have luck with rooting them? I don't know how much you paid to have the workers cut them, but I bet it was worth it when compared to what a tree would normally cost with a trunk of that diameter!
-chase
My friend has 3 alive out of 7. His approach is the same as mine but misty heads and placement of the pots
Yes, the money paid for workers was well worth but I gambled ?

Those are some cuttings. Thank you for the photos and information. You do great work.
Thanks

Thank you for the great pics and information! I was wondering if you change the placement of your pomegranates when it gets closer to your hot summers? It looks like you have them on concrete tile at this time?
Thanks so much!
Thanks. All of my trees are on concrete all year, except few are on the “stands”.

Interesting and very informative thankyou! What was approx temperature range during rooting process?
The temperature was about 90 F
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My friend has 3 alive out of 7. His approach is the same as mine but misty heads and placement of the pots
Yes, the money paid for workers was well worth but I gambled ?


Thanks


Thanks. All of my trees are on concrete all year, except few are on the “stands”.


The temperature was about 90 F
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Thanks- Lucky you! though sadly I dont think it would work outdoors in my English garden-as its too cool here unless I used bottom heat or soil warming cables in a glasshouse...
I guess where you live this would also work outdoors for Grape Vine, Olives, Tamarix and other Mediterranean species too?
Many big old specimen Olive trees are imported to England from Spain and Italy with hardly any roots and they seem to survive.
Often they are gnarled old trees seemingly grubbed out of old olive groves by excavators, brutally chopped back to stumps with a chainsaw and shoved in a large pot with minimal soil and roots and allowed to grow on for a while before being exported and sold as 'Specimen Patio Plants' to English garden centres for people who want instant gardens .
 

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Thanks- Lucky you! though sadly I dont think it would work outdoors in my English garden-as its too cool here unless I used bottom heat or soil warming cables in a glasshouse...
I guess where you live this would also work outdoors for Grape Vine, Olives, Tamarix and other Mediterranean species too?
Many big old specimen Olive trees are imported to England from Spain and Italy with hardly any roots and they seem to survive.
Often they are gnarled old trees seemingly grubbed out of old olive groves by excavators, brutally chopped back to stumps with a chainsaw and shoved in a large pot with minimal soil and roots and allowed to grow on for a while before being exported and sold as 'Specimen Patio Plants' to English garden centres for people who want instant gardens .
Thanks for interesting information.
Yes, they say California weather is almost liked Mediterranean’s . It is why there are a lot of olives , oaks here.
To succeed in cutting, these conditions have to be fulfilled: humidity, temperature and lighting conditions.
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I found this thread around 2 weeks ago, so I took some hardwood Pommey cuttings from a stump i have growing in the ground, these came off one of the stems..

im using a black bag over the container, they were in shade but now in more sun, still with the black bag on...the thickest one is budding, the others are budding too but further behind. most still have most of the old leaves, think thats thanks to the bag.
I guess ill leave the bag on until all the new buds have leafed out....
we have over a week of full sun now in London..
 

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