Over styling a Bonsai...

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I recall seeing very similar threads in martial art forums. These are always entertaining.
 

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I recall seeing very similar threads in martial art forums. These are always entertaining.


As a final thought I am pleased that my Thread reached 80 some Post's, it apparently caused many to think RE the OP...
 

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I watched the video and enjoyed it immensely....the Artist created a Beautiful and Artistic Tree Sculpture from that Collected Juniper...
That tree, by the way, has never been repotted since having been put in that pot. It’s not very healthy, unfortunately.

This procedure would not be done today. Instead, multiple root grafts would be placed where the desired Soil line would be. Once they have taken, then the tree could be treated as any other bonsai.
 

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[QUOTE="Bolero, post: 623807, member:
I maintain that Bonsai, Penjing, Saikei Gardening is a very rewarding endeavor regardless of ones personal skill level...[/QUOTE]
That is so tautological as to be meaningless
 

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Is martial arts really an art or a craft?
Whoo boy! That's a loaded question that would take us too far from this thread. I can only say I've been knocked down flat on my ass, staring at the sky, and thought to myself: "Damn, that was a pretty move."

Back to the OP. For me, unlike martial art where all moves and styles don't matter to me and I mix and match them without thought and they all flow, every bonsai thing I do has to be deliberate cuz I don't know sh*t. Still I approach bonsai without fear because if I don't make mistake, I don't learn well. I just have to be a bit judicious because of the cost involved :)
 

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[QUOTE="Bolero, post: 623807, member:
I maintain that Bonsai, Penjing, Saikei Gardening is a very rewarding endeavor regardless of ones personal skill level...
That is so tautological as to be meaningless[/QUOTE]

A famous Greek Philospher (not Socrates or Plato) said:
"Everything that is a proposition of logic has got to be in some sense or the other like a tautology. It has got to be something that has some peculiar quality, which I do not know how to define, that belongs to logical propositions but not to others."
Here logical proposition refers to a proposition that is provable using the laws of logic.

Here the Gardening of Bonsai, Penjing, Saikei define the Proposition...and the skill level required, for same, provide the Logic to justify the Proposition....The Comment Stands alone and is not Meaningless....

My comment is "What does this have to with Gardening?"
 
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A famous Greek Philospher (not Socrates or Plato) said:
"Everything that is a proposition of logic has got to be in some sense or the other like a tautology. It has got to be something that has some peculiar quality, which I do not know how to define, that belongs to logical propositions but not to others."

We're way off topic, but Bertrand Russel was not a famous Greek philosopher. Moreover, he was not classically educated and wrote remarkably little on the ancient Greeks. What he did write about the Greeks is held in very poor regard by professional classicists (hello!).

He was in fact called-out by George Steiner among others for overlooking in his History of Philosophy the important contributions of Martin Heideigger (see my avatar), who is colloquially referred to as 'the last ancient Greek philosopher'. The oversight does not seem to have been accidental.

PM me if you would like bibliographical recommendations. I literally have thousands.
 

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We're way off topic, but Bertrand Russel was not a famous Greek philosopher. Moreover, he was not classically educated and wrote remarkably little on the ancient Greeks. What he did write about the Greeks is held in very poor regard by professional classicists (hello!).

He was in fact called-out by George Steiner among others for overlooking in his History of Philosophy the important contributions of Martin Heideigger (see my avatar), who is colloquially referred to as 'the last ancient Greek philosopher'. The oversight does not seem to have been accidental.

PM me if you would like bibliographical recommendations. I literally have thousands.

This is where I get my philosopher bibliographies Apparently Heideigger was a rotten old beggar...:)
 

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@Bolero ,

a suggestion - The Maple image -

As Landscape Penjing -

[1 ] Perhaps a very long thin, shallow, unglazed pot.

[2 ] The tree feels like it belongs in a scholar's garden.

[3] You could look up a Chinese Scholar who loved trees / gardens / landscape

[4 ]As you have probably read, Chinese Penjing often is about a scholar
or has a historic tale or story illustrated by the Landscape Penjing.
The mudmen are not accidental.

[5 ] Maybe the rocks arranged around a man-made pond.

[6 ] A larger house.

Anyhow just a suggestion ----- love the maple by the way, very soothing
to look at.
Good Day
Anthony
 

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Many would consider welding as a craft, yet when it is paired with incredible skill: https://bit.ly/2MU5Rot . I think the same can be said for bonsai. While there may be a point when it becomes overdone (and I'd contend Bjorn's trees aren't), what many neglect in the creation of art is developing the skills required to pull it off at the highest level. Stated differently, many without the skill to pull it off will defer to a less refined presentation that their capabilities allow and give as the reason their preference for a different style.
That never happens around here.
I dunno. I would gladly say I can't do all that and am doing what I can at the moment. For me a preference only exists if the choices are legitimately available.
 

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@Bolero ,

a suggestion - The Maple image -

As Landscape Penjing -

[1 ] Perhaps a very long thin, shallow, unglazed pot. Yes I will look for one...

[2 ] The tree feels like it belongs in a scholar's garden. Yes I prefer Scholars over Monks...

[3] You could look up a Chinese Scholar who loved trees / gardens / landscape YES Will do...

[4 ]As you have probably read, Chinese Penjing often is about a scholar
or has a historic tale or story illustrated by the Landscape Penjing. Agreed...
The mudmen are not accidental.

[5 ] Maybe the rocks arranged around a man-made pond. That would be a totally new feature, maybe too much ? ...

[6 ] A larger house. I don't think so, too much...

Anyhow just a suggestion ----- love the maple by the way, very soothing
to look at.
Good Day
Anthony
Thank you Anthony for the Positive comments... Its going into another Big Show in September...
 
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