Just sharing - It's a sub-tropical= able to handle frost #$%^&*(!@

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Well how many are really zone 9 and able to handle frost?

So our climate has from the last week of November until last
week been high 60's F every night from 10 p.m or earlier until
8 a.m..

Fukoen teas dying, Serissas dying and now Ixoras.

Mind you in the ground, no effect.
Just in the Bonsai pots.
Root sensitivity / insulated pots ?????????????

Guess what, Ixoras are rated for outdoors in Florida - zone 9b
http://gardeningsolutions.ifas.ufl.edu/plants/ornamentals/ixora.html

Bah humbug - going local.

Mind you a few Serissas and Fukien teas are unaffected.
Good Day
Anthony
 
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Well how many are really zone 9 and able to handle frost?

So our climate has from the last week of November until last
week been high 60's F every night from 10 p.m or earlier until
8 a.m..

Fukoen teas dying, Serissas dying and now Ixoras.

Mind you in the ground, no effect.
Just in the Bonsai pots.
Root sensitivity / insulated pots ?????????????

Guess what, Ixoras are rated for outdoors in Florida - zone 9b
http://gardeningsolutions.ifas.ufl.edu/plants/ornamentals/ixora.html

Bah humbug - going local.

Mind you a few Serissas and Fukien teas are unaffected.
Good Day
Anthony
Frost???
 

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I've always used the rule of thumb that you lose a zone in a pot. Also, cold tolerance often has to be built up. A plant grown in your area is going to be more in tune with the local conditions than one grown elsewhere. It's one of the reasons the nursery I work for advertises our plants as "Ohio grown". They're used to the local conditions, something a plant from the west coast won't have. Same reason a sun tolerant plant that was grown in the shade and suddenly put into full sun will scorch and often die.
 

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Well how many are really zone 9 and able to handle frost?

So our climate has from the last week of November until last
week been high 60's F every night from 10 p.m or earlier until
8 a.m..

Fukoen teas dying, Serissas dying and now Ixoras.

Mind you in the ground, no effect.
Just in the Bonsai pots.
Root sensitivity / insulated pots ?????????????

Guess what, Ixoras are rated for outdoors in Florida - zone 9b
http://gardeningsolutions.ifas.ufl.edu/plants/ornamentals/ixora.html

Bah humbug - going local.

Mind you a few Serissas and Fukien teas are unaffected.
Good Day
Anthony



There is no such thing as 'frost' at 60°. That may be the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard. The trees died because of your outdated care techniques, refusal to learn A SINGLE NEW THING IN 30+ YEARS, and poor quality soil materials. Own up to your mistakes - nature didn't do it - you guys did. I live in North Florida and get plenty of actual frost and I still know how to keep a fukien tea tree alive.
 

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@Cable l ,

thanks for the reply.

It seems to be root sensitivity, as it affected only
the Chinese Serissas from one now dead mother plant.
The others from another source were not affected.

Same for the Fukien teas.
There are two here that are as happy as can be.
Same for the ones in the ground.

No effect on the Sageretia [ zone 7 ]

So we will re-work the cuttings sources.

Also noted that the mica pots block our form of cold.

Nice tease Sifu @Adair M ,:)
even worse High 60's.

Should probably talk to Wires g. Wires.
Thanks for the responses.
Good Day
Anthony

Choppy don't you get tired.........................
 

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Put the pots in the ground is my solution to cold. I like what Cable said, lose one zone, get it back by putting the pot in the ground, even temporarily. I have a ficus and my wife has an Avacado plant, both are 15 C min. that's it, and it said prolonged exposure at 15 it will cause a decline and that's what I saw. If you have somewhere to just dig some holes, drop them in and cover them with leaves mulch or what ever.
 

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@Cable l ,

thanks for the reply.

It seems to be root sensitivity, as it affected only
the Chinese Serissas from one now dead mother plant.
The others from another source were not affected.

Same for the Fukien teas.
There are two here that are as happy as can be.
Same for the ones in the ground.

No effect on the Sageretia [ zone 7 ]

So we will re-work the cuttings sources.

Also noted that the mica pots block our form of cold.

Nice tease Sifu @Adair M ,:)
even worse High 60's.

Should probably talk to Wires g. Wires.
Thanks for the responses.
Good Day
Anthony

Choppy don't you get tired.........................


Yes SO TIRED of all of your horrible posts where all your advice is terrible. I'm hoping you will never post again so that the quality of info for Bonsai will rise here. You post on almost every thread and your info is straight garbage. You are not a help but a MASSIVE HINDRANCE to folks trying to actually learn. If you really cared about Bonsai you would QUIT posting your brutal outdated non-knowledge. And yes I will continue to call out your ridiculous crap so folks will see it for what it is. And yes even though your whole passive aggressive crap is super tiring I will continue to make folks understand that you are bad for bonsai as a learning community.

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Take a tranquie, guys. He’s not saying that 60*=frost. He’s saying that the trees are meant to be cold tolerant to zone 9, yet they succumbed at 60*.


Exactly - and that won't happen with properly cared for trees. I have plenty of fukien teas that get below 50° and do fine. It wasn't the temp that killed em.
 

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... ... I will continue to make folks understand that you are bad for bonsai as a learning community.
If you say he's bad for the bonsai community, I dare say that you are bad for the community as a whole, because of your rudeness and your boorish behaviour.
 

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If you say he's bad for the bonsai community, I dare say that you are bad for the community as a whole, because of your rudeness and your boorish behaviour.


If I tell you 1 + 1 = 2 but you don't like my tone doesn't mean its not correct. If a person came to meeting after meeting year after year spouting garbage info even though they had been taught the correct info, I would ask them to leave as I would feel they are undermining any real learning happening. And I teach plenty of classes at community college and at retirement homes and folks love me. I'm also the president of my club, started another and bring people into bonsai every year. I just have no more patience for someone undermining the good advice others give year after year.
 

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@choppychoppy Adair is of the same opinion like you, i.e. Anthony's methods of cultivation/training are outdated. Maybe more people believe the same.....
However, Adair never responded to Anthony (as far as I know) in a manner similar to yours.
Two diametrically opposite behaviours.
One civilized and one rough.
No one is justified to humiliate anyone. This is my strong belief and this is the reason I posted these comments of mine.
And since you are teaching classes you should have been taught that vilification and irony are not accepted methods. Quite the opposite.

.....I've said enough. I swear it was out of honest interest about the model of behaviour we are offering to young people, anywhere and everywhere. Be it in a bonsai forum or a college class.
 

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@choppychoppy Adair is of the same opinion like you, i.e. Anthony's methods of cultivation/training are outdated. Maybe more people believe the same.....
However, Adair never responded to Anthony (as far as I know) in a manner similar to yours.
Two diametrically opposite behaviours.
One civilized and one rough.
No one is justified to humiliate anyone. This is my strong belief and this is the reason I posted these comments of mine.
And since you are teaching classes you should have been taught that vilification and irony are not accepted methods. Quite the opposite.

.....I've said enough. I swear it was out of honest interest about the model of behaviour we are offering to young people, anywhere and everywhere. Be it in a bonsai forum or a college class.



Unfortunately this is probably the single biggest problem with advice and especially bonsai advice. The whole belief that everyone has a valid opinion. Wrong!

The earth is flat.
Only cows make milk.
Vaccines cause autism.

Are these opinions valid? If you pop off one of these I will definitely 'humiliate' you and you deserve it.

How bout if I said repot your junipers on the hottest day of the year.
Repot your tropical trees on the coldest day.
Grow trees inside.
Use clay fines for your soil.

Are these valid as well? SMH - wouldn't you want wrong info corrected.

And clearly Anthony just ain't getting it and Adairs kid gloves aren't penetrating. Sometimes when people aren't getting it some straight talk may open an eye.
 

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Are these opinions valid? If you pop off one of these I will definitely 'humiliate' you and you deserve it.

as someone who appreciates blunt over obscurity, am relatively new to bonsai, have some kinda science...this rhetoric seems angry, not inspiring or insightful, and has no apparent support aside from...your temperatures?

There are a myriad of factors that could potentially be at play here. There is no baseline reference to your issues with regard to technique & this assertion(s) honestly just looks like unjustified nonsense even if your methodology is better or not,
& even if...yeesh, wu wei, perhaps let actual reason and creativity be the judge and your apparent approach to shame be reserved elsewhere for folks who don’t care about bonsai
respect
 

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Has an axe to grind on my head - why ?
I haven't a clue.
Never argued with Choppy or pushed an opinion.
Good Day
Anthony
 
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