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Is there a dedicated thread for helping ID trees for people? It seems like a lot of individual threads pop up but wouldnt it be less clutter if there were a single thread for it. I nedd help with these two:

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The first, with white flowers looks like some sort of viburnum. Not sure which of the many species though.

Second one is still a little immature for me to ID but someone else will probably recognise those leaves.
 

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Not sure which of the many species though
It could be Viburnum plicatum f. tomentosum 'Mariesii' but there are tons of different types with similar leaves and flowers that make it confusing.

Love viburnums!

#2 maybe hawthorn?
 
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Another suggestion for plant #2 could be porcelain berry. Do the stems look particularly viney?
 

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Thanks! I was thinking that but wanted to get a second opinion. Much appreciated.
 
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