Wiring Trunk for Taper

Smoke

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It's not a "bad technique" it's a "different technique". No different than screwing a trunk to a board and trying to improve a root spread.

It's the lazy and sad artist that tells people it's wrong to do things rather than work at it and improve your method. I have a few of the trunks grown like that, and the ones done by someone that knows what their doing can be quite beautiful. They don't need decades to see the scars go away, yes time, but as little as three or four years on certain species. It works extremely well on cork elms.

I have a mix, some trident maple, cork elm, Itowigawa juniper, procumbens juniper and pines. Many of these are just starting to be worked and are less than three years old since wire.

Trident maple, five years old, three with wire embedded in trunk. 3/4 inch trunk
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Cork Elm,
8 years old, 6 years since wire embedded in trunk. 2 inch trunk
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Cork elm
Four years old, five years since wire embedded in trunk. 2.5 inch trunk.

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Wire still in trunk and sticking out.DSC_0031.JPG

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These shohin pines all have wire embedded in the trunk. None are over 8 years old.

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This Itowigawa has wire embedded in the trunk and twisted.

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This procumbens was done by a friend of mine. He did two of them and had never did this method before. He wanted to try it. This was his result. Not as good as some of the previous trees, but it has lots of texture. I will add some shari this year and remove more branches as it has grown a ton this summer. This was ground grown and cutting to this size was done in four years.

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My final thoughts.
Yes the world is full of purists that find this kind of work beneath them. I get it. I didn't spend 6,000.00 for any of these. I'm not planning on showing these in a National Judged show. I just do bonsai in my backyard and occasionally show other trees. I have won plenty of money for other trees so I know the difference. These kind of trees are great for ones collection and add a certain texture you won't find on nursery stock. Many people spend lots of time grinding and carving their bonsai to introduce the exact feelings that can be produced with this method. What have I showed, 8 trees in my collection? Pretty small comparison to over a hundred trees.

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It's not a "bad technique" it's a "different technique". No different than screwing a trunk to a board and trying to improve a root spread.

It's the lazy and sad artist that tells people it's wrong to do things rather than work at it and improve your method. I have a few of the trunks grown like that, and the ones done by someone that knows what their doing can be quite beautiful. They don't need decades to see the scars go away, yes time, but as little as three or four years on certain species. It works extremely well on cork elms.

I have a mix, some trident maple, cork elm, Itowigawa juniper, procumbens juniper and pines. Many of these are just starting to be worked and are less than three years old since wire.

Trident maple, five years old, three with wire embedded in trunk. 3/4 inch trunk
View attachment 257583

Cork Elm,
8 years old, 6 years since wire embedded in trunk. 2 inch trunk
View attachment 257584

Cork elm
Four years old, five years since wire embedded in trunk. 2.5 inch trunk.

View attachment 257586View attachment 257587

Wire still in trunk and sticking out.View attachment 257588

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These shohin pines all have wire embedded in the trunk. None are over 8 years old.

View attachment 257585

This Itowigawa has wire embedded in the trunk and twisted.

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This procumbens was done by a friend of mine. He did two of them and had never did this method before. He wanted to try it. This was his result. Not as good as some of the previous trees, but it has lots of texture. I will add some shari this year and remove more branches as it has grown a ton this summer. This was ground grown and cutting to this size was done in four years.

View attachment 257592


My final thoughts.
Yes the world is full of purists that find this kind of work beneath them. I get it. I didn't spend 6,000.00 for any of these. I'm not planning on showing these in a National Judged show. I just do bonsai in my backyard and occasionally show other trees. I have won plenty of money for other trees so I know the difference. These kind of trees are great for ones collection and add a certain texture you won't find on nursery stock. Many people spend lots of time grinding and carving their bonsai to introduce the exact feelings that can be produced with this method. What have I showed, 8 trees in my collection? Pretty small comparison to over a hundred trees.

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Yes.
 

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I dont know, some of smokes trees were pretty cool looking. To me its a different technique, like taking 100 seedlings and wrapping it around a huge frame to meld them together to make a gigantic tapered bonsai.

Its not going to win an award for most traditional bonsai, but it still creates a really interesting tree.
 

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If I let wire bite into a tree my Master would get a metal rod and make sure I understood not to do that.........
 

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It's not a "bad technique" it's a "different technique". No different than screwing a trunk to a board and trying to improve a root spread.

It's the lazy and sad artist that tells people it's wrong to do things rather than work at it and improve your method. I have a few of the trunks grown like that, and the ones done by someone that knows what their doing can be quite beautiful. They don't need decades to see the scars go away, yes time, but as little as three or four years on certain species. It works extremely well on cork elms.

I have a mix, some trident maple, cork elm, Itowigawa juniper, procumbens juniper and pines. Many of these are just starting to be worked and are less than three years old since wire.

Trident maple, five years old, three with wire embedded in trunk. 3/4 inch trunk
View attachment 257583

Cork Elm,
8 years old, 6 years since wire embedded in trunk. 2 inch trunk
View attachment 257584

Cork elm
Four years old, five years since wire embedded in trunk. 2.5 inch trunk.

View attachment 257586View attachment 257587

Wire still in trunk and sticking out.View attachment 257588

View attachment 257589


These shohin pines all have wire embedded in the trunk. None are over 8 years old.

View attachment 257585

This Itowigawa has wire embedded in the trunk and twisted.

View attachment 257590

View attachment 257591

This procumbens was done by a friend of mine. He did two of them and had never did this method before. He wanted to try it. This was his result. Not as good as some of the previous trees, but it has lots of texture. I will add some shari this year and remove more branches as it has grown a ton this summer. This was ground grown and cutting to this size was done in four years.

View attachment 257592


My final thoughts.
Yes the world is full of purists that find this kind of work beneath them. I get it. I didn't spend 6,000.00 for any of these. I'm not planning on showing these in a National Judged show. I just do bonsai in my backyard and occasionally show other trees. I have won plenty of money for other trees so I know the difference. These kind of trees are great for ones collection and add a certain texture you won't find on nursery stock. Many people spend lots of time grinding and carving their bonsai to introduce the exact feelings that can be produced with this method. What have I showed, 8 trees in my collection? Pretty small comparison to over a hundred trees.

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Does it really deserve all the hatred?
On the trident... what benefit did the embedded wire produce? The cork elms produce rough bark naturally. Of all your examples, those look the best.

The shohin JBP have good movement. Wiring did that, but the wire could have been removed, and you would still have the movement without having the scarring. JBP are appreciated for their bark. The best JBP have beautiful bark, so the trunk and it’s bark should be the most beautiful feature of the tree! Instead, the wire scars are defacing the trunk. It’s like someone injected Botox into the Mona Lisa’s lips!

The Itoigawa looks highly stressed.

The procumbens looks mangled.

At least, that’s my opinion.
 
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