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This will serve as a record for my first attempted pines from seed. They arrived from Treeseedonline.com a couple weeks ago and tonight they're taking their bath. They're getting all washed up and ready for their trip to the beach.IMG_7054.JPGIMG_7055.JPG
 

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Very good source, get ready for a 90+% germination rate :)
 

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Very good source, get ready for a 90+% germination rate :)
Really? That's good to hear. Thanks for the info. This source seems pretty cheap too. I'm not one of those that wants to spend $40 to get 20,000 seeds lol.
 

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Very good source, get ready for a 90+% germination rate :)
Hope he has better luck than me. :confused:
I did 100 JBP 'Mikawa' JBP from MySeeds.co. After a 48 hr soak and 21 day cold stratification, I only have maybe a dozen that have spouted.
 

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Looks good source,goid luck. @markyscott did not have good luch with myseeds.com? As they sent red pine instead.
Fwschumacher seeds jbp sprouted without pretreatment in just a week nearly 100%z
They are out of stock now,but have an ‘email me’ button when back in stock!
 

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Looks good source,goid luck. @markyscott did not have good luch with myseeds.com? As they sent red pine instead.
Fwschumacher seeds jbp sprouted without pretreatment in just a week nearly 100%z
They are out of stock now,but have an ‘email me’ button when back in stock!

Mine all came from “myseedsco.com”. I don’t know what they’re relationship is with this company if there is any.

scott
 

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This treeseedonline is out of the U.K. @leatherback vouched for them so I figured what the hell, it's only a couple dollars. I got 1 gram each of those three for like $14 shipped. They were very reasonably priced for such small quantities. Heck they only charged me like $5 to ship from the U.K.
 

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It’s been a crazy month. Here is an update. After 4 weeks in the fridge I put the Japanese black pine and the scots pine in their propagators with pine bark and perlite 1:1. They’re sitting on a heating mat in a s-w facing room for now. The Norway spruce is still in the fridge (ran out of propagators for now). As of today, I have noticed sprouts in both propagators. I’m not sure about how/when to add nutrientsI have the trees outside with some granular organic, but I’m thinking in a week or two adding a light miracle grow solution or something similar works best here since they won’t get regular watering just yet.
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Both the black pine and Scots are germinating nicely. Soon I can count for a germination rate but I’d rather not count my sprouts before they hatch. I sowed the Norway spruce 4 days ago and noticed the first sprouted seed yesterday so they should follow quickly. They were in the fridge about two weeks longer, so I don’t know if that helped or not.


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Japanese black Pine

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Scots Pine
 

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i have had scots pine seed from that retailer have really good germination rates. Don't know if you're keeping those humidity domes on the trays still but I would definitely get them off if you are. Humidity won't do pine seedling (or trees) any good, only harm. soil looks nice and fluffy
 

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Coming along real nice! I second removing the domes, they're not needed. Unless.. There are birds around. They'll yank them out faster than you can put them in. A piece of mesh on top of the container will sure help.
 

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Right now they’re in a southwest facing room getting lots of indirect sunlight. Should I keep the domes on at night to help maintain temp? They’re on a heating mat right now, and the room gets rather cold at nights.
 

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Pine seedlings need sun as they germinate, or the artificial lighting equivalent. The more sun, the shorter the initial stem elongation. Indirect light is simply not bright enough. Pine seedlings sprouted in shade are susceptible to fungal and bacterial attack. You need more light. Get those trays outdoors on warm days, and or get some sort of horticultural light over them for the days that are too cool to go outside. The UV in the sunlight kills Phytophthora and many other pathogens.

When you set them in the sun, the domes must be either propped open, or removed completely. Completely off is safer.
 

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Putting the domes on at night only serves to trap humidity at a high level. Water molds, one of the group of pathogens, only need about 90% humidity to spread rapidly. Seedlings are usually quite happy with 50% to 75% humidity, and often you can get good development at humidities that are as low as 25%.
 

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Pine seedlings need sun as they germinate, or the artificial lighting equivalent. The more sun, the shorter the initial stem elongation. Indirect light is simply not bright enough. Pine seedlings sprouted in shade are susceptible to fungal and bacterial attack. You need more light. Get those trays outdoors on warm days, and or get some sort of horticultural light over them for the days that are too cool to go outside. The UV in the sunlight kills Phytophthora and many other pathogens.

When you set them in the sun, the domes must be either propped open, or removed completely. Completely off is safer.
Thanks @Leo in N E Illinois , @GGB and @Wires_Guy_wires I wish I had read this sooner, I’ve been neglecting Bnut lately. The last 2-3 days I put them outside with no domes. I think I may have read this a little late, many have kind of fallen flat, maybe they’ll perk back up. If not I still have dozens that are upright. I see that this batch is very spindly, sounds like you’ve explained why. I may try doing that seedling cutting thing so maybe it’s not a tremendous issue. To me this batch is about learning. So if I get just a couple I’ll be happy. Thank you for the advice. I just need to be more timely in reading it.
 

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Both the black pine and Scots are germinating nicely. Soon I can count for a germination rate but I’d rather not count my sprouts before they hatch. I sowed the Norway spruce 4 days ago and noticed the first sprouted seed yesterday so they should follow quickly. They were in the fridge about two weeks longer, so I don’t know if that helped or not.


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Japanese black Pine

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Scots Pine

Did you stratify them in any substrate for the 4 weeks?
 
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