Yeah, I can see it. And it's why I've spent a fair amount of time trying to understand the type of "talk" that comes out of you on this forum.
What would be the reason for a New Yorker to try to show there? How many people attend? Do they come from all over the country? Seems like a weak comparison.
I think you missed the point...
I'm not sure people are afraid, maybe they just don't want to be belittled. I know personally that I've thought twice about posting my crappy newby photos because of the people on forums who just insult rather than help. But I've actually been really lucky that everyone has been lovely and welcoming, and have provided kind criticism.
I think there's definitely a way to word critiques, and that maybe you don't always word it in the best way, whether that's unintentional or not.
I'm new here and have had a good mooch around the threads. From what I've read I can see that bonsai is your passion - you love it and do want teach your ways to help people improve their trees. Which is think is great, but I do think it's important to consider that the people behind the usernames and photos are human beings with feelings. I'm a teacher, and even though I teach children not adults, I believe that people do not learn through negativity.
Reading through this thread has made me feel relieved that you haven't come across (or wanted to comment on) any of my photos. I'm sure you could offer some really useful info and things to work on, but I'm not sure it's worth the hammering you'd probably give me.
I hope I'm wrong though, because I think this is a brilliant resource and community and I hope to stick around for a long time
If you understand where you fit in you will be here a long time. If your have a few years and you finally get enough confidence, you will post to a thread like this and make your views known. It doesn't change the fact that you said " I know personally that I've thought twice about posting my crappy newby photos because of the people on forums who just insult rather than help.". I am not in that group, I've never seen a tree from you so I feel like your making generalizations about something you have no control of. There is a new thread for you to post pictures of your tree/ trees in. The thread is not there for me or anyone else that doesn't post a picture of a tree to talk in. If I do have something to say it will be by PM, like I mostly do. There are plenty of people that have been given opinion and thoughts on how to help their tree by PM from me. If anyone here would care to really look at the dialog here, the problems at this site are from about a dozen or so people that post no trees and have nothing but shitty things to say. Do the homework you will see.I'm not sure people are afraid, maybe they just don't want to be belittled. I know personally that I've thought twice about posting my crappy newby photos because of the people on forums who just insult rather than help. But I've actually been really lucky that everyone has been lovely and welcoming, and have provided kind criticism.
I think there's definitely a way to word critiques, and that maybe you don't always word it in the best way, whether that's unintentional or not.
I'm new here and have had a good mooch around the threads. From what I've read I can see that bonsai is your passion - you love it and do want teach your ways to help people improve their trees. Which is think is great, but I do think it's important to consider that the people behind the usernames and photos are human beings with feelings. I'm a teacher, and even though I teach children not adults, I believe that people do not learn through negativity.
Reading through this thread has made me feel relieved that you haven't come across (or wanted to comment on) any of my photos. I'm sure you could offer some really useful info and things to work on, but I'm not sure it's worth the hammering you'd probably give me.
I hope I'm wrong though, because I think this is a brilliant resource and community and I hope to stick around for a long time
I’m not afraid of anything here. I do post trees. I do contribute as much as I am able, but then you don’t want a constant stream of nursery trees or undeveloped stumps. These 900 odd posts this past year are not all discussing bull. If I offer any advice I qualify it by expressing my lack of experience. I was once taught that one of the best ways of learning was by teaching. It helps you understand where the gaps in your knowledge are.
I personally don’t like using the ignore function. Particularly if it is ignoring a prominent member or a regular poster. You just end up missing too much information. I’d rather people could just be nice. Still, too much to ask of humans.
Thats my point. This is nothing new. I've been one eight forums and its been this way since 1997 for me. Not me specifically. hell recently I saw Sorce arguing with Adair, imagine that. A guy who never says anything about anybody, yet Sorce has to make some shit. I don't get it.
Post it. Post both sides? If you are correct I will apoligise here and now.
That's a good point. I just checked my ignore list, and about half of them were apparently temporary trolls, and no longer have profiles. I've unignored the other five or six, and will try it again.
I didnt see that, gotta find the thread now..
Then that is a problem for you...this is a public forum and listening to other peoples ideas is part of the posting process. Thats what is hard to understand for some. There are over 18,000 people here, and about 40 do all the talking. Out of the 40, about ten have a tree worthy of putting into a show. Out of the thirty left, maybe half of them have posted a picture of a tree in training. Thats the facts.....
I haven't paid much attention to this thread because it isn't the kind of thing that appeals to me. But I have paid enough attention to this site to know that there are way more than ten folks here who have show worthy trees.
Welcome GBarb..... I had to look up cuk and I still don't get it.
