First Night Below 60F

Cadillactaste · Sep 20, 2020

MrFancyPlants said:
Can you spell out Jerry’s advice a little more. I.e move them in sooner or later when the temps start to dip.

Quoting Jerry,"You will get advice from southern growers who will tell you that they don't until temps get way lower. Their growing conditions are totally different than growers in the north who must move their plants indoors for a large part of the year."

I can't find the exact post. But the above touches on why northerners protect sooner with milder temps than Florida protects. Acclimating to indoor temps... I have heard him also say protect at 60F. But he said his own he never allows to go below 65F. So I feel that, is my goal. For he apparently feels its important to keep his above 65F. Mine never sulk, or drop leaves transitioning in or outside.

Again quote ,"I find that even though my indoor growing conditions are very good with high intensity lighting and temperatues that stay above 65F."

just.wing.it · Sep 20, 2020

leatherback said:
brrr. Low fourties here as well this weekend. But daytime still gentle and warm. Hoping for another 2, 3 weeks before they have to come in.

Look at you with your Fahrenheit scale!
Lol!

Been hitting 42f overnight.....amd holding for hours.

Mine came in a few days ago.

Cadillactaste · Sep 20, 2020

sorce said:
Don't forget he moves then into excellent conditions.
I think some of us should squeeze in that last 10 degrees of sunshine. Especially if it occurs over a 2 month period.

Sorce

I don't believe his/Jerry’s ever sees outdoors. We discussed Kumquat...

just.wing.it · Sep 20, 2020

LanceMac10 said:
36/2 right now....trop's still out.

Cadillactaste · Sep 20, 2020

MrFancyPlants · Sep 20, 2020

Alright, you got me, I went ahead and moved ‘em in:

Paradox · Sep 20, 2020

Cadillactaste said:
I can't find the exact post. But the above touches on why northerners protect sooner with milder temps than Florida protects. Acclimating to indoor temps... I have heard him also say protect at 60F. But he said his own he never allows to go below 65F. So I feel that, is my goal. For he apparently feels its important to keep his above 65F. Mine never sulk, or drop leaves transitioning in or outside.

As Adair is so fond of saying, it depends, mainly on species
Ficus can withstand below 40 overnight.
The guy I bought my oldest BRT said not to let it go below 40, 50 even better.

I usually dont move mine inside unless its going to go below 50 degrees.
I dont have alot of tropicals so doing the 2 step for a week or so to let them get a week or two of outside sun before moving them to their winter quarters.
I have had one BRT freak out and lose all its leaves once, but I think that had more to do with getting a little too dry than the temps outside or the transition to inside.
My trees also grow well through most of the winter. They have a little slow down in January or February when it is the coldest, despite being under lights that keep them above 65 all winter. I think that is just the natural cycle for them.

leatherback · Sep 20, 2020

sorce said:
I think some of us should squeeze in that last 10 degrees of sunshine. Especially if it occurs over a 2 month period.

My thinking exactly.
Main concern is moving them indoors when the heaters are already running. So I like to get them nice and dry outside. Then when I bring them inside, good carefull watering and a fertilizer boost.

Cadillactaste · Sep 21, 2020

Paradox said:
As Adair is so fond of saying, it depends, mainly on species
Ficus can withstand below 40 overnight.
The guy I bought my oldest BRT said not to let it go below 40, 50 even better.

I usually dont move mine inside unless its going to go below 50 degrees.
I dont have alot of tropicals so doing the 2 step for a week or so to let them get a week or two of outside sun before moving them to their winter quarters.
I have had one BRT freak out and lose all its leaves once, but I think that had more to do with getting a little too dry than the temps outside or the transition to inside.
My trees also grow well through most of the winter. They have a little slow down in January or February when it is the coldest, despite being under lights that keep them above 65 all winter. I think that is just the natural cycle for them.

Oh sure, they can handle it. But how is your transition indoors? My ficus don't drop any leaves. That to me...is worth it. Trust me. I'm lake front. My temps are ten degrees colder typically. I've two stepped them over night temps. Going with what Jerry has said. Then back out.
I know some who defoliate when moving inside to combat leaf drop. I don't see it. Mine push new growth days being moved inside.

My powderpuff hasn't skipped a beat either. Blooming and growing once indoors. That Jerry keeps his inside 24/7... mine at least see some bench time. But when they are under lights in the greenhouse longer than outside on the bench. They move inside.

I also have few tropical. 6 tropical...aren't to bad to move. But having them not sulk and thrive so well moving inside. Is a feel good moment. I have happy healthy trees...with following advice given to me by Jerry.

just.wing.it · Sep 21, 2020

I got a frost advisory this morning.

leatherback · Sep 21, 2020

just.wing.it said:
I got a frost advisory this morning.

You woke up to frozen tropicals?

Mapleminx · Sep 21, 2020

MrFancyPlants said:
Alright, you got me, I went ahead and moved ‘em in:

Love the username!

Flowerhouse · Sep 21, 2020

roberthu said:
So tonight it’s going to drop to 53F so I pulled all the tropical in. It’s going to rise back up to almost 80F in the day next week so these guys still have some time outside before winter.

This entire thread makes me laugh a little. Here we had only two nights this summer when the temp stayed above 60. Sometimes when the temp is in the 50s on my porch and at the local airport, I get a reading in the 30s at street level. Guess I won't be doing much with tropicals

leatherback · Sep 21, 2020

Flowerhouse said:
Here we had only two nights this summer when the temp stayed above 60.

Hint: http://www.move-r.us/

penumbra · Sep 21, 2020

LanceMac10 said:
36c be nice though!!

96.8 F is way to hot for me.

just.wing.it · Sep 21, 2020

leatherback said:
You woke up to frozen tropicals?

Might have woken up to a light frost....if I hadn't brought mine indoors last week.

leatherback · Sep 21, 2020

just.wing.it said:
Might have woken up to a light frost....if I hadn't brought mine indoors last week.

brrr. Cannot wait for spring!

Paradox · Sep 21, 2020

Cadillactaste said:
Oh sure, they can handle it. But how is your transition indoors? My ficus don't drop any leaves. That to me...is worth it. Trust me. I'm lake front. My temps are ten degrees colder typically. I've two stepped them over night temps. Going with what Jerry has said. Then back out.
I know some who defoliate when moving inside to combat leaf drop. I don't see it. Mine push new growth days being moved inside.

My powderpuff hasn't skipped a beat either. Blooming and growing once indoors. That Jerry keeps his inside 24/7... mine at least see some bench time. But when they are under lights in the greenhouse longer than outside on the bench. They move inside.

I also have few tropical. 6 tropical...aren't to bad to move. But having them not sulk and thrive so well moving inside. Is a feel good moment. I have happy healthy trees...with following advice given to me by Jerry.

The tranisition to inside is usually fine. Rarely have any problems.

Cadillactaste · Sep 21, 2020

Paradox said:
The tranisition to inside is usually fine. Rarely have any problems.

Good to know...other ones issues...is what had me really hesitate even adding ficus.

BrianBay9 · Sep 21, 2020

Cadillactaste said:
Quoting Jerry,"You will get advice from southern growers who will tell you that they don't until temps get way lower. Their growing conditions are totally different than growers in the north who must move their plants indoors for a large part of the year."

I can't find the exact post. But the above touches on why northerners protect sooner with milder temps than Florida protects. Acclimating to indoor temps... I have heard him also say protect at 60F. But he said his own he never allows to go below 65F. So I feel that, is my goal. For he apparently feels its important to keep his above 65F. Mine never sulk, or drop leaves transitioning in or outside.

Again quote ,"I find that even though my indoor growing conditions are very good with high intensity lighting and temperatues that stay above 65F."

If I followed this advice I'd never put tropicals out. For most of my summer, night time temps are in the low to mid 50's F. I leave my ficus (microcarpa, rubiginosa, willow leaf) out unless we have a frost warning. They seem to do fine with night time temps in the 40's. They don't show significant damage with a brief frost but I try to avoid that anyway.

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