Native Junipers??

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The intensity of UV blue-spectrum radiance (some conifers are not digging or using, and can even be a detriment)
315-400 nm, increases about 10% every 2000 meters.

Solution, get waxier/bluer..and dissipate the increasing UV as elev. increases.

So bringing it down from the mountain would seem a bonus for the health of such a tree..

The bigger issue of a juniper in a pot I would think, would be bringing your tree from the valley or lower elev. up to a home on the mountain.
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Well, at least in the case of the Sierra Junipers, I was at an elevation of 10,000 feet, and they were green. Sierras in the Bay Area around San Francisco are usually blue.

Which seems to be different that the effect observed with your reference about Colorado Blue Spruce.

And, where I am in the North Georgia mountains, JWP appear to be greener than they are in the Bay Area.

I think Jeremiah has a better handle on it.
 

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Here is a question to you Juniper guys. Below you will find a Photo of Utah Juniper and Rocky Mountain Juniper both with nice foliage that in my opinion rival Shimpaku. I know there is a lot of argument about Juniper issues especially about how the foliage is maintained and cultivated; the old trim verses pinching debate.

I have already heard it said that once these trees are put in pots they respond differently. WHY? It seems to me if the tree is capable of assuming a trait in the wild why would it not do the same thing in a pot? Does this make sense to anyone?

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Vance, I started a thread for my One-seed Juniper yesterday: https://www.bonsainut.com/threads/one-seed-juniper-yamadori-juniperus-monosperma.34908/. I’ve had it in a container for four years and it has always maintained the foliage typical of the species.
 

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Here is a question to you Juniper guys. Below you will find a Photo of Utah Juniper and Rocky Mountain Juniper both with nice foliage that in my opinion rival Shimpaku. I know there is a lot of argument about Juniper issues especially about how the foliage is maintained and cultivated; the old trim verses pinching debate.

I have already heard it said that once these trees are put in pots they respond differently. WHY? It seems to me if the tree is capable of assuming a trait in the wild why would it not do the same thing in a pot? Does this make sense to anyone?

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Vance, here is a Utah juniper I purchased last fall. It was collected over 20 years ago, and put in a box, and then it wasn’t touched. Except for a root graft and a kishu foliage graft that you can’t see in this picture. The foliage you see is the Utah foliage. Pretty coarse and stringy. And rather pale.

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Vance, here is a Utah juniper I purchased last fall. It was collected over 20 years ago, and put in a box, and then it wasn’t touched. Except for a root graft and a kishu foliage graft that you can’t see in this picture. The foliage you see is the Utah foliage. Pretty coarse and stringy. And rather pale.

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Have you tried pushing the tree with fertilizer and water? It looks like it is lacking both; just my observation no offense intended. There are some people in bonsai that have this kind of convoluted opinion that conifers should be kept on the dry side and denied fertilizer except at a minimum.
 

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Have you tried pushing the tree with fertilizer and water? It looks like it is lacking both; just my observation no offense intended. There are some people in bonsai that have this kind of convoluted opinion that conifers should be kept on the dry side and denied fertilizer except at a minimum.
Oh sure! I took the fertilizer tea bags off for the photo.

When that picture was taken, last November, it had only been in that pot since July. The story: the tree was collected 20 to 25 years ago by the owner of Lone Pine nursery in California. It got boxed in a box of pumice. Sat in the back of the nursery.

Around 21 years ago, they had Boon graft on some roots, and two approach grafts if Kishu. Only one of the Kishu grafts took, there was no aftercare. Still I. The same box.

Every year, Boon goes there to buy raw material to work on. Every year, he’d see the old Utah, and asked if they wanted to sell it. Every year, the same response, “No thanks, we’ve been meaning to start working it up.”

Year after year after year...

Until last summer! They said, “yeah, we’ve been meaning to, just haven’t gotten around to it, so yeah, we’ll sell it!”

So, Boon told them, while eyeing the rotten wooden box, that if they could deliver it to his place, he’d buy it. Well, they did! Sorta. The box fell apart as they were trying to get it out of the back of the pickup truck.

Emergency potting into whatever pot was handy, and what was handy was my old pot my olive used to be in. So, all that happened a year ago last summer.

Last November, I was at Boon’s looking at all the raw stock he had gotten in, and noticed the tree sitting in my old pot. So, I teased Boon with, “You know, if a tree is in someone’s pot, it’s their tree!” So, he says, “Good tree! Bad pot! You want to buy it?” Lol!!!

And I took a closer look at the trunk, the incredible deadwood, and made a snap decision to buy it. I have a much smaller Western juniper that I grafted Kishu onto, but nothing of this scale. So, I figured this would be my one big (huge!) yamadori juniper.
 

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The story: the tree was collected 20 to 25 years ago by the owner of Lone Pine nursery in California.
I may be mistaken but I think Ian and Steve from Lone Pine dug that tree on a collection trip with me near Wells, NV back in the 1990's.
 
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