Beech - care and maintenance/development

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Hi there

I acquired this beautiful beech in spring this year. I thought it was stunning and it going for a good price from a seller who seemed to be quite the artist.

Despite the mealy bugs and tent worm (?) and slight leaf burn, it seems to have been doing okay.

However, i am growing increaingly concerned that im letting it down with my inexperience. I have given it a balanced slow release fertiliser and have been pruning growth that has extended beyond 2 leaf pairs or that has developed too long internodes. I have also simply cut off any sub branches where the leaves appear to start too far along...is this right or should i prune and hope it grows leaves closer in?

Is there anymore i can do? Subject to your creative visions, i would be happy for it to (largely) stay as it is. You will also see there is slight inverse tapering near the first branch, which i quite like as it it gives a quirky, van gogh look, but i would not want to get any bigger.

I have noticed the nebari is a bit unconventional. I can happily live with it the way it is, but would be interested to hear if there was any way to change it...what would happen if i carved away at it to make it less prominent?

As i write, i have just remembered that the leaves are somewhat thin in texture and a bit wrinkly. They are paler in places and seem more papery and drier than beech leaves i see on fully grown trees...anyone know if this is a problem?

Apologies for the long post, but im almost starting to lose sleep over this! I fear it may be too beautiful for my capabilities!

Any advice would be hugely appreciated.

Thanks!
 

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I wouldn’t do anything except proper watering. For the inverse taper, branch placement or even choosing a front that hides that defect are key for your future design.
You can also let the tree grow for the rest of the season and not do any pruning. Then next year have the lower pads grow out further to prevent any more inverse taper. As you let the bottom pads grow out, the top can be trimmed and defoliate to increase ramification once the first flush has hardened off to prepare for the second flush in summer, but don’t do anything like that until next year. Let it grow my friend.
 

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I think your pruning all the tips all the time has made the tree entirely too congested it should be twice as wide on the lower branches and half as thin in the upper branches and crown. All the branches are about the same diameter and if you want to increase the taper of the trunk and increase the thickness of the lower branches you need to follow the general theory and formulas here. It is otherwise a fine tree.
 
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the second flush in summer
Do you have experience with this? I've never worked with beech, but I've heard you'll only get one flush per year. Pruning should stimulate ramification, but you won't get a second flush. At least that's what I remember from Scott Elser's beech demo over the weekend.
 

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vigorous beech will do a second flush, not always as strong as the first. OP i would just stick to the beech article on bonsai4me, harrys beeches speak for themselves. 'the proof is in the pudding' as they say.

heres one i have an airlayer on, in a nursery pot, not been root pruned, not been pruned or meddled with since layer was put on producing a fresh flush
 

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Thank you @BobbyLane I also heard there was no second flush so that advice is appreciated

While there are knowledgeable people here and defoliation was mentioned above
I also read (not yet tested) that beech prefer partial defoliation over full defoliation?
 

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Do you have experience with this? I've never worked with beech, but I've heard you'll only get one flush per year. Pruning should stimulate ramification, but you won't get a second flush. At least that's what I remember from Scott Elser's beech demo over the weekend.
Yes I have worked on Beech. OP did not say what kind , but defoliating the top partially would help get finer twigging. European Beech respond to partial defoliation
 

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Hi there

I acquired this beautiful beech in spring this year. I thought it was stunning and it going for a good price from a seller who seemed to be quite the artist.

Despite the mealy bugs and tent worm (?) and slight leaf burn, it seems to have been doing okay.

However, i am growing increaingly concerned that im letting it down with my inexperience. I have given it a balanced slow release fertiliser and have been pruning growth that has extended beyond 2 leaf pairs or that has developed too long internodes. I have also simply cut off any sub branches where the leaves appear to start too far along...is this right or should i prune and hope it grows leaves closer in?

Is there anymore i can do? Subject to your creative visions, i would be happy for it to (largely) stay as it is. You will also see there is slight inverse tapering near the first branch, which i quite like as it it gives a quirky, van gogh look, but i would not want to get any bigger.

I have noticed the nebari is a bit unconventional. I can happily live with it the way it is, but would be interested to hear if there was any way to change it...what would happen if i carved away at it to make it less prominent?

As i write, i have just remembered that the leaves are somewhat thin in texture and a bit wrinkly. They are paler in places and seem more papery and drier than beech leaves i see on fully grown trees...anyone know if this is a problem?

Apologies for the long post, but im almost starting to lose sleep over this! I fear it may be too beautiful for my capabilities!

Any advice would be hugely appreciated.

Thanks!

Thank you @BobbyLane I also heard there was no second flush so that advice is appreciated

While there are knowledgeable people here and defoliation was mentioned above
I also read (not yet tested) that beech prefer partial defoliation over full defoliation?
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Harrys methods work too.
have you ready Harrys article?

also key words, healthy...vigorous!
 
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I do read B4me and also recommend to OP the nut is a great source of info with very knowledgeable members in many species with some members also from UK but most being from the US it is good to refer to Harry for UK info

When I look into a new species I often read up on B4me before diving deeper through the nut in whatever aspect I need to work on/ understand better

Beech has basic species guide and an In depth pruning guide both formed my understanding to date
@BobbyLane I certainly trust WP, I also trust you and would be interested in your results in the UK?

(Purely interested in possible climate variation between us and WP please don't take this as a credibility check i have already changed my notes thanks to your info I thought I was a noob with a dream to encourage the 'first ever' second flush European beech)
 

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I do read B4me and also recommend to OP the nut is a great source of info with very knowledgeable members in many species with some members also from UK but most being from the US it is good to refer to Harry for UK info

When I look into a new species I often read up on B4me before diving deeper through the nut in whatever aspect I need to work on/ understand better

Beech has basic species guide and an In depth pruning guide both formed my understanding to date
@BobbyLane I certainly trust WP, I also trust you and would be interested in your results in the UK?

(Purely interested in possible climate variation between us and WP please don't take this as a credibility check i have already changed my notes thanks to your info I thought I was a noob with a dream to encourage the 'first ever' second flush European beech)
first you have to get a beech😉
Beech is a native woodland tree. its perfectly fine.
the beech article on bonsai4me clearly states that some will produce a second flush, while others might not. then it tells you how to induce one.

some results
 
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first you have to get a beech😉
Beech is a native woodland tree. its perfectly fine.
the beech article on bonsai4me clearly states that some will produce a second flush, while others might not. then it tells you how to induce one.

some results
mine is producing a second flush right now, from the 'joints' of existing leaves it looks like
 

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mine is producing a second flush right now, from the 'joints' of existing leaves it looks like
I thought these were the next year's growth getting ready? If you defoliate, aren't these activated and the tree needs to replenish them?
 

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I thought these were the next year's growth getting ready? If you defoliate, aren't these activated and the tree needs to replenish them?
You could be right but I have some semi green cigars at base of main leafs. Don't have a ton of main leafs so I'm not messing w it this year
 

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I have never understood the whole discussion. It might have to be variation in beech species. Every year in summer I get a second flush on all my beeches (F sylvatica). Also in the forest I see beeches having a second growth spurt in summer. In Dutch this even has a name, the Sin-Jansloten, in other words, the growth after June 24th names after Saint John (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_John's_Eve)

If I partially defoliate in spring, I often get a third flush.
This year I trialled removing half of the sprouts as the trees were opening the buds. I can advice against it now. The leaves that come out are twice as large!
 
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