Pinus sylvestris #4

ptolomeo · Sep 21, 2022

I wanted to start a thread on this Pinus Sylvestris that I recently purchased from Jan Culek, slab included, after having looked for a while for a tree worth of refinement.

My plan for this year is to simply wire all the tips and start defining the pads and apex, probably this weekend.

I intend to mantain the natural and elegant design of the tree, but I feel like some of the primary branches may need to leave eventually. What I see at the moment, is that the first two branches on the left superpose each other and the last long branch on the right "extends" the apex too much and is too thick for the area.

Any comments or feedback are welcome!

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penumbra · Sep 21, 2022

It is a tall drink of water with a lot of character, especially the lower part. Have you considered removing the apex?

Colorado · Sep 21, 2022

Very nice pine! Will look great with some wire and organization. Great acquisition!

ptolomeo · Sep 21, 2022

penumbra said:
It is a tall drink of water with a lot of character, especially the lower part. Have you considered removing the apex?

Not for the moment, it is quite representative of how they tend to grow around here in Germany, so I am happy with the lenght and taper. However, I do believe the apex has too much visual weight and could use some wide reduction.

penumbra · Sep 21, 2022

ptolomeo said:
Not for the moment, it is quite representative of how they tend to grow around here in Germany, so I am happy with the lenght and taper. However, I do believe the apex has too much visual weight and could use some wide reduction.

I am pleased you have a clear vision. My vision is just a bit different.

ptolomeo · Sep 21, 2022

penumbra said:
I am pleased you have a clear vision. My vision is just a bit different.

Feel free to tell/show me to where would you reduce it. You made me curious now

penumbra · Sep 21, 2022

ptolomeo said:
Feel free to tell/show me to where would you reduce it. You made me curious now

I don't know how people mark up these pictures as I am a Luddite and just this simple communicating taxes my skills with technology.
I personally would remove everything above the last upper branch that jaunts off to the right. Above that the trunk has got a small straiught section before it spreads out again. I would also reduce that branch to the right. Sorry, but my skill set with computers is limited. Even if you taught me how to do it today, I would be at a loss in a couple days.

BobbyLane · Sep 21, 2022

Jan culek has some very nicely styled Pine examples on his IG page. I saw a few that look very similar to this one. did you try to find some earlier images of this one?
looks like it just needs a little styling and refinement. maybe nothing drastic

ptolomeo · Sep 21, 2022

BobbyLane said:
Jan culek has some very nicely styled Pine examples on his IG page. I saw a few that look very similar to this one. did you try to find some earlier images of this one?
looks like it just needs a little styling and refinement. maybe nothing drastic

This is indeed one of them. Unfortunately, there are no earlier images, other than the ones he used to advertise it, and there is no difference with its current status.
I won't do anything drastic, not even planning to cut anything this year, just wiring and refinement.

PonderingSage: · Sep 21, 2022

I love that drop branch on the left.

penumbra · Sep 21, 2022

PonderingSage: said:
I love that drop branch on the left.

I agree. I think that is the best part of it.

Shogun610 · Sep 21, 2022

Nice , how is your wiring ?
copper wire 10-14 should do this pine just fine. Have fun styling… I recommend if it were mine the drop branch on left is the defining branch… so everything after that should either have the thematic or the drop branch will crazy the flow of the viewer left to right and up to apex. Enjoy

Potawatomi13 · Sep 22, 2022

Shogun610 said:
so everything after that should either have the thematic or the drop branch will crazy the flow of the viewer left to right and up to apex. Enjoy

Is this not what is called "tension"

in design?

ptolomeo said:
is that the first two branches on the left superpose each other

Upper of 2 is great branch. Bring down and back some, compact it and should look great. If gone left of tree would be bare, off balance unless growing Literati

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Potawatomi13 · Sep 22, 2022

Good eye

. Good tree has all needed parts to become great tree IMHO. Dropping branch

. Any chance to see back of tree?

clem · Sep 22, 2022

Very nice tree and very nice slab too

If it was mine, i'm pretty sure i would cut the 3rd left branch, to highlight the "rupture" of the trunk, leaving a little jin (the little jin explains why the trunk changed its movement in the past).

Not 100% sure, but I would probably leave only 1 left branch among the 2 first left branch that supperpose each other : i would choose the branch with the more ramifications to compact it

For example, if you keep the 1rst left branch, you have this skeleton ->

After wiring and ramifications ->

ptolomeo · Sep 22, 2022

Potawatomi13 said:
Good eye. Good tree has all needed parts to become great tree IMHO. Dropping branch. Any chance to see back of tree?

Thanks! I will try to take more pictures this weekend.

As for the styling sugestions, I agree on the interesting left branch but I am not sure it may end up being the directional brand.

For the first iteration of this tree, I want to keep it close to what I understand as Jan's original intention, which is a more natural and soft design, similar to the way I see them growing around Germany.

Below some of Jan's trees as example. I can see it specially with a similar flow as the first picture (obviously with diferent direction and proportions)

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Deep Sea Diver · Sep 22, 2022

Wondering if creating a ‘traditional design’ out of a naturalistic designed tree is counterintuitive?

Of course, it can be done…. But..

cheers
DSD sends

BobbyLane · Sep 22, 2022

ptolomeo said:
Thanks! I will try to take more pictures this weekend.

As for the styling sugestions, I agree on the interesting left branch but I am not sure it may end up being the directional brand.

For the first iteration of this tree, I want to keep it close to what I understand as Jan's original intention, which is a more natural and soft design, similar to the way I see them growing around Germany.

Below some of Jan's trees as example. I can see it specially with a similar flow as the first picture (obviously with diferent direction and proportions)

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if anything i think this one from his page is more similar to yours, give or take some length differences in lower branches.

Potawatomi13 · Sep 22, 2022

BobbyLane said:
if anything i think this one from his page is more similar to yours, give or take some length differences in lower branches.

Wow! Second trunk(with appearance of)dropping branch and reaching branch. Such a combo. Nice development

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clem · Sep 23, 2022

Deep Sea Diver said:
Wondering if creating a ‘traditional design’ out of a naturalistic designed tree is counterintuitive?

Of course, it can be done…. But..

cheers
DSD sends

I'd love to see other concrete propositions on this particular tree (traditional or more naturalistic) but i don't see any.. unfortunatly. Art is difficult but at least i tried to show something

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