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I saved these two little guys from the bulldozer today. I know it’s a little early for collecting here in North Carolina but the land is about to get cleared and I was given permission to collect. There is a few of much larger ones (6”+ diameter) there but I didn’t have the determination to dig them up today. I may try to catch them when they have the excavator there. The first one I have hope for because it had some fine roots on it but the second one is kinda iffy. I put some rooting hormone around the base of the cuts and packed it in a little bit of sphagnum moss to hopefully encourage some root development.
 
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Here’s #1
 

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And heres #2
 

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And here’s where they will live for the time being. Hopefully the rocks will discourage the squirrels from digging.
 

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Cool finds!

They don't LOOK like they were pulled early.. y'got some budswell, and no burst... seems perfect, to me.

And yes, as mentioned above.. plenty of time.

Focus HARD on their health.. these are large specimens.. living where they where for quite some time...

Some current options may not exist.. or newer better options be available by the time these specimens are "settled"..

It's gonna be hard.. but you're JUST gonna have to (mostly) leave them alone for a season... wild collection brings an entirely new learning curve...

I have lost a handful (a BIG handful) of trees this way...

But my collections that I 'left the heck alone' and focused on health/vigor.... much better results.

:)
 

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I plan to leave them alone this year and make sure they are watered consistently I may even leave them alone next year too. I just want to make sure they live and make shoots and roots. Gonna take an ax and see if I can get a huge one out sometime this week.
 

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I plan to leave them alone this year and make sure they are watered consistently I may even leave them alone next year too. I just want to make sure they live and make shoots and roots. Gonna take an ax and see if I can get a huge one out sometime this week.
Hunting is fun!!

Unfortunately, my life on a cold peninsula means that I have a very short SPRING collection window.. with some species 'readiness' crossing non-ideal tangent intersections.

I gotta make hay...

...waitin' on dat sunshine.
 

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Hunting is fun!!

Unfortunately, my life on a cold peninsula means that I have a very short SPRING collection window.. with some species 'readiness' crossing non-ideal tangent intersections.

I gotta make hay...

...waitin' on dat sunshine.
It’s quite the opposite here, it goes from highs in the 30’s one day to highs in the mid 60’s the next day. I honestly don’t know how the trees here figure out when to come out of dormancy it’s all ups and downs this time of year. I guess I should start my collecting in earnest towards the end of the month. Our last frost is usually around Easter but like I said it’s everywhere in between until then.
 

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Any suggestions on a front?
Way too early to start looking for styling ideas. Some current bits may grow, some might not. Occasionally a whole side will die back and that will change everything.

Carpinus are quite resilient to transplant and major root reduction so I am optimistic for survival of both these. I've seen plenty of transplants with no fine roots survive and grow well.
Not sure that rooting hormone is effective on roots. As someone here said, roots already know how to grow roots. Hormone is useful on stem cuttings because we need to convince stem material to change and grow roots. I don't think hormone is detrimental but as far as I know it does nothing to change how roots will grow.

Just protect from really cold weather. It won't matter if temps dip just below freezing at night provided it warms up again during the day. I don't know NC weather patterns so can't offer real advice on whether to leave outdoors in a protected spot or to keep them indoors until nights start to warm up more.
 

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Way too early to start looking for styling ideas. Some current bits may grow, some might not. Occasionally a whole side will die back and that will change everything.

Carpinus are quite resilient to transplant and major root reduction so I am optimistic for survival of both these. I've seen plenty of transplants with no fine roots survive and grow well.
Not sure that rooting hormone is effective on roots. As someone here said, roots already know how to grow roots. Hormone is useful on stem cuttings because we need to convince stem material to change and grow roots. I don't think hormone is detrimental but as far as I know it does nothing to change how roots will grow.

Just protect from really cold weather. It won't matter if temps dip just below freezing at night provided it warms up again during the day. I don't know NC weather patterns so can't offer real advice on whether to leave outdoors in a protected spot or to keep them indoors until nights start to warm up more.
What would you consider really cold?
 

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I do not experience real cold so cannot give any meaningful advice based on experience. Temps here have never dropped below -7C
I have seen all sorts of different temps quoted here which leads me to believe that many growers are just guessing or being conservative with guidance for cold.
All I can tell you is that my transplanted trident maples suffer no ill effects with regular -3C after drastic root pruning. The few Carpinus carolinia I have here appear equally hardy so I have no doubt that they will easily cope with similar temps and probably even colder. How cold I cannot say for certain.
Because we do not experience frozen ground I have collected and transplanted a range of species right through winter and rarely see problems. I start digging field grown trees in mid winter here so they all experience temps down to -4C after drastic root pruning and thrive.
 

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I do not experience real cold so cannot give any meaningful advice based on experience. Temps here have never dropped below -7C
I have seen all sorts of different temps quoted here which leads me to believe that many growers are just guessing or being conservative with guidance for cold.
All I can tell you is that my transplanted trident maples suffer no ill effects with regular -3C after drastic root pruning. The few Carpinus carolinia I have here appear equally hardy so I have no doubt that they will easily cope with similar temps and probably even colder. How cold I cannot say for certain.
Because we do not experience frozen ground I have collected and transplanted a range of species right through winter and rarely see problems. I start digging field grown trees in mid winter here so they all experience temps down to -4C after drastic root pruning and thrive.
-7c = 19.5f. That’s not too far off from our yearly max lows in North Carolina. It will rarely get below 15f (-9.5c) with the extremely rare single digit night (below -12.5c). But our ground does freeze pretty regularly through the winter. Thank you for the advice. I’ll keep an eye out for those really cold nights and take the proper precautions.
 

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Thing about big and huge Carolina Hornbeam--they can take forever to close wounds. like a decade or two.
 

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Thing about big and huge Carolina Hornbeam--they can take forever to close wounds. like a decade or two.
I just came across this little grove of hornbeams on my buddy’s property and they seem to have better movement to the trunks than the big ones so I may take a look around here and see if I can find something really unique.
 

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What would you consider really cold?
Anything below 32 degrees. When you mess with the roots, you take away the trees cold tolerance. I am digging a couple of small hornbeams tomorrow. I will bring them in the garage at night when it is going to be below freezing. After they have established a good root system this year they will be fine.
 

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This one should recover and throw roots just fine. I would remove those low suckers later this summer when you get shoots going higher up.
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I would say this one is pretty iffy that it makes it. I have found that these large cuts tend to rot before they throw roots.
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