Wilson
Masterpiece
I guess I am lucky to live where I do. Young people were carrying bags to pick up any litter they found, even the cigarette butts from the onlookers.
21st century kids
- Thread starter AlainK
- Start date
I guess I am lucky to live where I do. Young people were carrying bags to pick up any litter they found, even the cigarette butts from the onlookers.
Forsoothe!
Imperial Masterpiece
Picking up their own trash is beneath them. Their calling is to change the world.
Nanuk
Shohin
Reminds me of the occupy wall street ignorance a few years back.
Left the place in a God awful mess.
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
I agree. I think I was civil in my latest post :
21st century kids
Ingenuous, manipulated or genuine ? In my school (15-18 yr-olds), full house. I mean, all the students were there. I work in a medium-sized city, a cathedral, a rich history, upper-middle-class, and a higher proportion of rich christians than in the other 7 high schools or so in my catchment...
Nanuk
Shohin
I agree. I think I was civil in my latest post :
21st century kids
Ingenuous, manipulated or genuine ? In my school (15-18 yr-olds), full house. I mean, all the students were there. I work in a medium-sized city, a cathedral, a rich history, upper-middle-class, and a higher proportion of rich christians than in the other 7 high schools or so in my catchment...www.bonsainut.com
You were. Thank you for that.
The lack of civility is something I don't understand. People have always disagreed on all sorts of things.
I remember when you could discuss things that we thought differently on.
We didn't get mad or go to calling names. Those days for some reason seem to be over. I don't get it.
leatherback
The Treedeemer
It could be a bad example in the leadership in society. Giving bad examples
The last years we have come to think things normal that used to be unacceptable.
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
I remember a time when it was advised to wait 24 hrs to reply to a message, in the late 90s.
Oops, this is an instant reply...
leatherback
The Treedeemer
Haha, I reminded myself of that just the other day, before sending an irritated email to someone a bit higher o[n the foodchain.
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
I think that your comment tends to "put them all in the same bag" as we say. That's wrong : most of them are concerned about environment, and that includes taking care of their "microcosm". No, kids today don't leave trash behind them, or at least, much less than they (we ?) did years ago.
Either you think your generation was better than them (and this is to be argued), or I misunderstood you, and I don't know about kids in your neighbourhood, but I can tell you that here, they're doing the best they can to "make our planet great again".
It's much harder to have "old people" change their habits. A real challenge...
Ten years ago, the late Kofy Annan, a very respectable man (not like others) gave his voice to try and make people aware. In 2009, some countries, a few "big countries" (I won't name them, shaming is not an option) refused to hear him. And condemned the rest of the world to a race to chaos. The last words are by Desmond Tutu, Nobel Pëace Prize 1984
Last edited:
Nanuk
Shohin
It could be a bad example in the leadership in society. Giving bad examples
The last years we have come to think things normal that used to be unacceptable.
I try my best to be polite, in person or on the net. It's the way I was raised.
We will never fix any of the worlds problems by name calling.
Nanuk
Shohin
I'm one of those "older people".
At one time I believed the same about the climate as you do.
After 50 years of hearing how we are all going to die in a decade, I changed.
As a young man I was as liberal as I could be. Then I got older and I would like to think wiser.
None of their BS was adding up. I became a lot more skeptical about it all.
One thing I know for sure, we are being lied to from all directions. About just about everything.
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
I don't think so : a fact is a fact. Politics are not, they're just like religion : a make-up world to comfort people who have no hope in the future any longer and try lamely to buy a place in a "world" that doesn't exist : the infernoes as ancient Greeks said, "paradise" for the updated credulous ones.
Some don't lie : scientists. They can be manipulated, but science doesn't lie, religions and ideologies lie.
A rose is a rose. A toes is a toes. That's a fact.
Ach, anarchists !
Last edited:
coh
Imperial Masterpiece
I blame social media, facebook, the internet in general. People now can "say" anything they want to each other, via the internet...things they would not dare say in person, since there usually aren't any real consequences (as opposed to losing a bunch of teeth). A whole generation has grown up interacting this way and we are reaping the rewards. Plus we have the proliferation of fake and doctored news, and people without the attention span or intelligence to question what they read and refer back to other sources. If it confirms their view that's all that matters.It could be a bad example in the leadership in society. Giving bad examples
The last years we have come to think things normal that used to be unacceptable.
I think the "bad example in leadership" (suspecting who you are referring to) is as much a product of this mentality as a cause, though there is now positive feedback taking place which reinforces the behavior. Or maybe negative feedback would be a better way to describe it.
The genie is out of the bottle, where this leads...who knows.
Nanuk
Shohin
Have you ever listened to scientists that don't believe what you believe? There are plenty to be found.
Now if you have then you have noticed at least two sides of the argument.
If one says one thing and the other says the opposite, how does AlainK choose sides?
I have listened to both sides a lot, they both make a certain amount of sense.
In my eyes one of them is either full of it or telling a lie.
You just happen to believe the other side. I'm OK with that.
And the news media over here is completely full of it. Hopefully yours is better.
Ours have chosen sides, that's not news.
AlainK
Imperial Masterpiece
Science is not about beliefs, it's about facts.
But those who can't dream are the living dead.
Saddler
Chumono
i choose sides by looking at how the data was collected and check for potential biases, Polling and data collection sizes etc. It’s really not that hard to figure out which side of an argument to pick in science. It’s science. It’s not always right but it is self correcting.
Saddler
Chumono
That's funny. I can tell you don’t spend much time online. Websites are pretty much self filtering for the user base. If you are frequenting places that people say things they wouldn’t say to your face, you are in 4chan or some Fan pages for eleventeen year olds.
As for fake and doctored news..... that has been around since the printing press was invented. I would say news is more honest then ever. People can fact check instantly and many do. If you are reading fake news, again you are frequenting the wrong sites. If you only frequent sites that feed your personal belief construct, then you are only going to believe a narrow view of the real world because that is all you see and the rest is BS, even though it is probably real and easily checked for fact. This has always been the case though, instead of websites it was magazines and newspapers. Nothing has changed with the advent of new technology other then allowing people that do want facts to find out the truth.
Woocash
Omono
Sorry mate that’s absolute nonsense. The internet is so full of contrasting opinions and statements of fact that by searching long enough you can find almost anything to back up your view as being “fact”. Let alone the fact that a very broad amount of people use facebook and twitter alone as their source of news. Someone, be it a friend or celebrity or news outlet, posts something which gets liked and shared and retweeted and so on and so forth until enough people have liked and shared it that it becomes common “fact”, at least amongst the group of people it was aimed at. It’s just propaganda on a grand scale, spread by the people the propaganda is aimed at. If “the man” tells you something, you are disinclined to believe it. If someone you trust likes or tells you something, you are far more open to the idea of it.
This is precisely why climate change and global warming is not propaganda. The scientists have been trying to tell us for years, decades even. The problem is, they are just scientists and unless there is money to be made from their discoveries, nobody takes them seriously. If it were propaganda it would have been being spread by people with vested financial or political interests and laws would have been put in place instead of country representatives sat around in meetings discussing and doing nothing. The problem with climate change is that there is nothing to gain from it and everything to lose so people just want to bury their head in the sand, or better still, deny it is even real. Dod Gammit people!
Forsoothe was completely correct, in that we do only affect our tiny infinitesimal piece of the solar system. It just happens to be that we all rely on it for survival. The Earth will keep spinning. Come back in a few thousand millennia and perhaps squid will be custodians of Earth. We are the first “intelligent” life form on this planet, it’s unlikely we’ll be the last. So, by all means keep destroying. The sooner we’re gone the sooner Mother Nature can have her planet back.
By the way, that’s the second lot of political reasoning I have seen on here. I lean neither one way or the other, I’m an abstainer who believes that a combination of both schools is the best way. That’ll never happen because people seem mostly to deal in absolutes. But I will just say that that’s two people that have wrong definitions of what a conservative is. The clue is in the name. Conservatives want to conserve what they have, to conserve their way of life and conserve their beliefs. Open mindedness, problem solving and working together is not what being a conservative is. Just saying the opposite does not make it true.
Nanuk
Shohin
Way to skirt around the question.
Actually science is a belief or theory in the beginning. That's why they study theories, to prove or dis prove.
All science starts out as someone wondering why something acts the way it does.
As long as Albert Einstein has been dead they are still proving and or dis proving his theories.