Shima
Omono
And that's where a seed dropped eons ago.
Ancient Bonsai vs Todays Bonsai...
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Potawatomi13
Imperial Masterpiece
Maybe/perhaps departing from such "refinement
" is direction American Bonsai is headed. One can hope.Potawatomi13
Imperial Masterpiece
Huh?.......... I haven't changed my mind, I said ''procumbens without scale foliage''
No. (see post 98) Now concentrate Adair
The one.....with.... the yellow......tri...angle.( not 94 and not the rigida ).....The one.....in ......post...... Eighty .....eight....
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Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
In my experience and eyes this is not Procumbens it is most likely Shimpaku. I can zoom in with my Mac desktop and looks a lot like Shimpaku
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Tycoss
Chumono
All the discussion here and in other threads about art and style in bonsai recently have gotten me thinking. As in all mediums, art is successful if you get the intended response from the viewer. The rules for different styles exist to create a particular impression on the viewer.
Look at Adair's black pines. I see age, balance, tranquility, stability and strength. Classical styling for conifers does this very well. Now change the intended response. With bunjin trees, a sense of instability and vulnerability is desirable. A different set of techniques is required. For a yamadori style juniper, we will forgot methods used to give a sense of tranquility in favour of drama and torment.
Some trees can also transport the viewer to a particular environment. If that is the intended response, the tree has been successful. If domed foliage creates the desired impression on the viewer, it is "good" Arron that instance. Bottom line.
Look at Adair's black pines. I see age, balance, tranquility, stability and strength. Classical styling for conifers does this very well. Now change the intended response. With bunjin trees, a sense of instability and vulnerability is desirable. A different set of techniques is required. For a yamadori style juniper, we will forgot methods used to give a sense of tranquility in favour of drama and torment.
Some trees can also transport the viewer to a particular environment. If that is the intended response, the tree has been successful. If domed foliage creates the desired impression on the viewer, it is "good" Arron that instance. Bottom line.
Michael, I view BonsaiNut on my iPhone. So, I can expand the pictures, but even so, I cannot make out any needles on that tree. It looks like scale foliage to me.No. (see post 98) Now concentrate Adair
Procumbens usually don’t make that large of a trunk. If it is Procumbens, it must be very, very old. It actually looks like a Western or Sierra Juniper trunk with shimpaku foliage grafted on.
All I can say is that both you and Vance are going to need stronger glasses soon!
I had a procumbens trunk much thicker than that once. Unfortunately it died but that's another story. Only about 12 years old....about 4 inches at the base Come to think of it more like 5 and a half inches .
Vance Wood
Lord Mugo
No we don't need better glasses we need a bigger boat.
Do you have a better picture of it?
Ry2Tree2
Yamadori
Yosemite Goat
Mame
Juniperius occidentalis apps 60' tall, 20' crown, guessing 45years old.
To add more discussion about the 'green helmets' of juniper bonsai......
I come across witch's broom in juniper often, even in the high Sierra's. Witch's broom in almost every species forms a cloud shape. As we also know, many of the varieties in originate as the natural forms. Removing these forms as air layers or grafts and ......voila, a new variety!
To add to the green helmet discussion, the photo above shows numerous cloud shape forms. Perhaps this form was, and still is, easier to maintain as a bonsai. The classical cloud form is a type of art that some folks like (not myself) and should be evaluated based upon the species/variety and how they occur in nature ( I have never been a judge or had a tree worthy of being judged).
The tree in the photo is a natural representation of many of the cloud formed bonsai. So I will relook at the 'green helmet' with a little more open mind.
Lastly, the cloud form witches broom scales are appx half the size of the regular scales!
To add more discussion about the 'green helmets' of juniper bonsai......
I come across witch's broom in juniper often, even in the high Sierra's. Witch's broom in almost every species forms a cloud shape. As we also know, many of the varieties in originate as the natural forms. Removing these forms as air layers or grafts and ......voila, a new variety!
To add to the green helmet discussion, the photo above shows numerous cloud shape forms. Perhaps this form was, and still is, easier to maintain as a bonsai. The classical cloud form is a type of art that some folks like (not myself) and should be evaluated based upon the species/variety and how they occur in nature ( I have never been a judge or had a tree worthy of being judged).
The tree in the photo is a natural representation of many of the cloud formed bonsai. So I will relook at the 'green helmet' with a little more open mind.
Lastly, the cloud form witches broom scales are appx half the size of the regular scales!
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