It's to show that it IS political, not my politics, theirs.
Huh...this is exactly what I was talking about. Change the argument to something that is completely irrelevant to change the terms of engagement. Politics is another argument. This argument is societal.
Why should we trust those people?
Who are "those people"? My wife is a physician. I'm a physicist/engineer. I've read the research. I've discussed it with my wife. I have a pretty solid grasp of the fluid dynamics and what's happening behind a mask. I also have a pretty decent grasp of physiology and what is happening in the lungs and immune system.
But even without that knowledge, the numbers are pretty clear:
Reported number of people who have died due to wearing a mask: 0 (that I am aware of anyway...list a source if your numbers differ)
Number of children with brain damage due to excess CO2 from wearing a mask: 0...lungs don't work that way. They expel CO2, not absorb it.
Number of individuals with brain damage due to lack of oxygen when using a mask: likely non-zero but would need to see the data to know if those that did were due to improper usage/mask materials. But not significant...unless you can produce a credible source that states otherwise?
Number of reported Covid cases: 225M+
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:COVID-19_pandemic_data
Number of Covid deaths: 4.6M+
Number of Covid vaccine doses administered: 5.7B+
https://ourworldindata.org/covid-vaccinations?country=OWID_WRL
Number of Covid vaccine deaths: I could not find a worldwide number here. The CDC states "More than 375 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through September 7, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 7,439 reports of death (0.0020%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. " The US dosage administered is of the same order of magnitude (375M vs 255M) as the worldwide Covid case number yet the reported negative outcomes are several orders of magnitude lower than negative Covid outcomes (7439 vs 4.6M)
https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
Much of that data is worldwide data. Had I cared to dig a little deeper, I'm sure I could have found non-CDC data on vaccine doses vs deaths as well...but, frankly, do your own research. But, being worldwide reported data...this is NOT US politics at play here. Think a little...
They want you to believe it's to save your neighbor because they know we hold that concern greater than the concern for ourselves.
Bullshit. *I* want you to believe it's to save your neighbor because I *AM* your neighbor and I'm tired of people dying because they care more about politics than each other...or working incredibly long, hard hours trying to keep people people who care more for themselves than others from dying. The next time my wife has to explain to someone's next of kin that their family member died from what all data suggests is a highly preventable death, I'll be sure to call you to break the news instead. You can explain how it's "their" politics...not "yours".
They flip-flop. I haven't.
This one realy does piss me off because it shows how short sighted and ego-centric way to much of the population really is. Yes, 100%, the CDC and WHO suggested...at the beginning of the pandemic...that the general populous NOT buy up and use all the N95 masks! They were needed for front line healthcare workers who had to manage Covid patients daily! Joe Random was not very likely to encounter Covid back then...my wife's hospital, on the other hand, has the regional hospital all Covid patients were transferred to in an attempt to help quarantine the population. Doctors were rationing N95 masks...using them for full days and sometimes several days...trying to sanitize them for re-use...it was a nightmare. Once research came out that certain types of cloth masks were highly effective...and the supply chain started ramping up for N95 mask production, the CDC did change their recommendation. This is just one example where they've "flip-flopped" but in every case, there were reasons born out by a new understanding of a novel situation or a new set of tools or some adjustment in some other aspect of society that allowed for the change.
Politicians did what politicians do...they capitalized to further their own agendas...ignore them. "Your politics" is every bit as guilty as "their politics". My arguments are not based on either side.
The fact that you are calling it the medias name, "horse dewormer", is only proof that I am less in an echo chamber than yourself.
Bullshit. This is a deflection to reframe the argument on your terms.
Ivermectin is an anti-parasitic drug that is used to treat river blindness and intestinal roundworm infection in humans. To my knowledge, that is the ONLY approved usage in humans. For a physician to use it otherwise opens the physician up to legal action for negligence were there a negative outcome.
It IS used as a de-wormer in livestock. That's not media...it's the label!
Ivermectin is an anti-parasite medicine. It works by
"Ivermectin stimulates excessive release of neurotransmitters in the peripheral nervous system of parasites. It is thought to work by paralysing the parasite or inactivating the parasite gut. In humans the neurotransmitters acted on by ivermectin are in the brain. A protective barrier, called the blood-brain barrier, blocks ivermectin from reaching the human brain."
I specifically picked this source because it is from 2014...well before Covid...and it was written by a non-US physician. Do remember that when you read the article:
https://dermnetnz.org/topics/ivermectin
Like the whole, "Oklahoma hospitals are backed up with Ivermectin poison victims, making gunshot victims not get treated" propaganda.
Debunked by nursing staff at the hospitals, and the sheriff who said they have had One instance of gun violence the entire year.
I love this argument! The "other side" lied...so our lies are truer!!! Makes a ton of sense.
Or is the argument that you found one case that wasn't true so therefor EVERY case must not be true?!? That's a great one too! I once choked on a grape so every grape is trying to kill me! If you are as enlightened as you like to pretend...you'd move beyond burning the orchard over a few rotten apples. There's no critical thought here...only tribalism.
NOTE: I am not refuting the story. I'm refuting the logic behind this childlike overgeneralization of pointing out one counter example to refute all examples just because the one fits your personal beliefs...while the others do not.
Because you are using a world wide pandemic that has already killed millions to fight a proxy battle that has nothing at all to do with the virus and societal health. You are more concerned that you are entitled to do what you want at the expense of others simply because you don't believe in "their politics".
...and you are using a bonsai forum to do it?!?