I'm not sure what you are seeing that I don't see as to the tree. It needs a good wiring and arrangement, and then I think you would see a very nice composition. Of course these things are impossible to know for sure without seeing them n person.I like the rock.
I don't like the pot the rock is in.
The minature ferns are nice, I would mind having them.
The tree is swollen and grotesque in need of serious work.
I won't comment on the price.
The pine is obviously the weak point of the composition, but I am optimistic that you could shape it in a couple of years to work much better in its location. It looks similar to me like a tree that has been recently afixed to the stone and let grow "wild" for a season to regain strength - almost pre-bonsai. I think the rest of the planting technique is excellent - including the placement of the roots, the moss, etc. The ferns look especially nice - I wonder if that orange color is seasonal or natural?Take a look at the last picture once again, it needs slightly more than wiring, I'm afraid.
And that is bad in bonsai because...?The tree is swollen and grotesque in need of serious work.
I am not saying there might be nothing wrong with this tree. My point is that there is not enough information. If there is nothing wrong more than what we can see here, I think it could become a nice little tree.Not bad in bonsai, unless it is in the wrong places.
Why would you say this is selling at such a cheap price in Japan?
First the cheap part:attila i agree 100% but i cant help help asking the question too. why so cheap. and why doesnt this guy want to double his or her money? Will wots the go what are you thinking?
I have a questopn. So does this mean we have cheap or bad bonsai here. If there junk is something that everyone in America gets excited about? Does that mean we don't know what we are doing or talking about
Very observant. These questions on the state of American bonsai as compared to other countries can and have opened up a can of worms on many occasions. One such debate led to the creation of the North American vs European contest over at AoB not long ago....I have a questopn. So does this mean we have cheap or bad bonsai here. If there junk is something that everyone in America gets excited about? Does that mean we don't know what we are doing or talking about
I don't think that we are purposely trying to copy Japanese bonsai, when we buy a material like this one and try to make a good bonsai out of it....we need to stop copying the Japanese and start creating American Bonsai, only then will our own hearts be shown and only then will they have a world reconized value. Seriously why buy an American copy of a Japanese bonsai when you can buy the real thing?
I couldn't agree more, Attila! By the time someone gets to a level that they might understand what you are asking of them, there is no more reason to ask. I think this whole kind of a topic is overblown to the point of silliness. Most Americans won't take the time to learn the basics, or if they want to, can't find someone to teach them. They've been doing it their own way for 20, 30, or 50 years and are so proud of their status that they consider themselves masters. But look at their trees. Some who have been in this so many years have never shown an artistic bonsai. Healthy, yes, and showing some wonderful technique, but not artistic.I don't think that we are purposely trying to copy Japanese bonsai, when we buy a material like this one and try to make a good bonsai out of it.
When I see people styling trees at workshops, I do not have the impression that they are trying to copy anything. They just use what they learned from their teachers and apply it to create the best bonsai they can. If I told them that they shouldn't copy Japanese bonsai, they wouldn't know what to make out of my statement. Telling them to stop making Japanese bonsai and start creating American ones wouldn't mean anything. They'd probably say: what do you mean? No foliage pads? No apex and no triangles?
I think the answer is, those who slavishly follow certain "rules" laid down a generation ago by certain iconic figures should open their eyes that great trees don't necessarily follow "first branch, second branch, back branch" instructions. Those are for babies in the art. We can't stay there forever. We have to learn from the material.
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