Beuvronensis pine worth it?

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Is Pinus sylvestris Beuvronensis better for bonsai than the usual scotts pine? Are the needles shorter? Are they grafted or grown from seed?
 

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They do have shorter needles and are only found grafted....might be possible to ground layer them in the long term?
 

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Was hoping it was a regional variant that could be grown from seed. Layering scots pine sounds like a massive pain in the ass. Think Ill just dig up a normal one then.
 

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Air layer, low chance of success. Ground layer on the other hand, I find young Scots Pine happily produce a new nebari if wire looped and buried in a deep pot or the ground
 

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Damn, the cultivar has such short needles tho. Might buy one and make cuttings + sow seeds. Google says if you do it right a certain percentage will strike, up to 50%.
Theres some scots pine and beuvronensis scots pine in this video, for reference
 

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Damn, the cultivar has such short needles tho. Might buy one and make cuttings + sow seeds. Google says if you do it right a certain percentage will strike, up to 50%.
Theres some scots pine and beuvronensis scots pine in this video, for reference
Oh, wow. I suppose that when in a large nursery setting with thousands of trees, that’s about the best he can do.

But look at those old imported trees he shows... he’s ruined them!
 

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Not done yet, here is a vert of where its going.

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Good. It may not even need that lowest “drop” branch. The foliage is so far away from the trunk, it spoils the image. There’s just too much mass there.

On the other hand, if it were Jin, that might aid in depicting an old tree.

Something to think about...
 

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Good. It may not even need that lowest “drop” branch. The foliage is so far away from the trunk, it spoils the image. There’s just too much mass there.

On the other hand, if it were Jin, that might aid in depicting an old tree.

Something to think about...

Possibly, will have to think on that when it gets further along.
Also might be some trunk carving in its future on one side where I have removed the octopus branching it had when I got it.
Been slowly eliminating them over the years. One left that Ive kept only because I wanted to try some grafting,
 

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Only if you can pronounce it.

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Some small needle cultivars produce fat twigs which make a tree not fit to scale down.
I'd look into that first before anything else.

Italian scots pines naturally have smaller needles. Norwegian type scots pines backbud really well. The watereri cultivar does both, and has a nice blue shine, but it also has super fat twigs which makes it less ideal for a small tree.
 

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You could grow some regular Scots Pine from seed, do the cutting thing on them to start a great nebari, then do a really low graft of the Beuvronensis onto that as the root stock.

This is what I plan to do, I've got a lot of recently cut Scots Pines right now, hopefully they'll pull through like my JBP did earlier this year.

I Like keri-wms' ground layer idea though, if it works a 3+ year head start on my approach.
 

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