Bonsai cages - is it a myth?

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I keep hearing this story of young plants growing in factory-like nurseries in Chine being potted inside flat-topped aluminium cages, so they get the most unlikely movements as they have this growth restriction.
Fact is , even searching a lot I couldn't find any imagens of this "technique".
Is it really true?
 

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Clicio,

look at the Mallsai, elms in particular, imagine the trunk thickening and where those
curves go.

The Chinese dig the plants out, from the clay type soil, with the shape needed to fit
into the pot.
For easy shipping to the ignorant West.

Think about it, with such a large population conditioned to growing tree penjing in China.
What do you do with the extras and not worth it plants?

What we discovered with ground growing, is that you can produce for sales in 1 to 4 years.

Folk in the West actually keep themselves back by insisting on using growing boxes.
Most trees only respond to trunk thickening with ground growing.
Adding in the colander in the ground growing stage, makes it even more efficient.

Grow boxes should be called ----------- refinement boxes [ for branchlets etc.]

The Chinese are masters at sales.
Good Day
Anthony
 

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I keep hearing this story of young plants growing in factory-like nurseries in Chine being potted inside flat-topped aluminium cages, so they get the most unlikely movements as they have this growth restriction.
Fact is , even searching a lot I couldn't find any imagens of this "technique".
Is it really true?

I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but I would very much doubt mass producers of bonsai material are investing all the money it would take to put individual metal cages around a $2 plant. There are many, hugely less expensive ways to get the "mallsai" result. Twisting flexible seedlings around a pole and tying them down, then letting them grow in a field, drastic cutbacks and subsequent shoot selection...etc.
 

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In Spain we have our own factory producer and no cages in sight.

Mind you, this pic is likely to give anyone the shivers.

 

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Aha! Pictures finally!
So, there are people doing it, and apparently it works.
@rockm Yes, I agree it could be expensive with cages, but have you followed the links @Brian Van Fleet has just posted? Perhaps the myth was born with the meshes, not really cages.
@Anthony thanks for your sharing your experience with ground growing!
 

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Twisting flexible seedlings around a pole and tying them down, then letting them grow in a field...

Yes, but I think it is easier (for them) to throw a wire mesh on top of many seedlings than tying one by one down.
But I really don't know, that's why I have started the thread.
 

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I don't know exactly what you're talking about, but I would very much doubt mass producers of bonsai material are investing all the money it would take to put individual metal cages around a $2 plant. There are many, hugely less expensive ways to get the "mallsai" result. Twisting flexible seedlings around a pole and tying them down, then letting them grow in a field, drastic cutbacks and subsequent shoot selection...etc.
The most abundant resource available to people in countries that grow these mallsai bonsai is labor. If you have a method and can pay these kids and old men to twist a tree around a stick, which is the way a lot of this is done, the cost is not so extravagant as to make it a problem.
 

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Aha! Pictures finally!
So, there are people doing it, and apparently it works.
@rockm Yes, I agree it could be expensive with cages, but have you followed the links @Brian Van Fleet has just posted? Perhaps the myth was born with the meshes, not really cages.
@Anthony thanks for your sharing your experience with ground growing!
the screen is a simple weight that smooshes down growth. Hardly a dedicated cage for each seedling. It works, sure, but the results mostly suck. It's a cheap, easy way to get unnatural movement that will sell to beginners...
 

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It works, sure, but the results mostly suck. It's a cheap, easy way to get unnatural movement that will sell to beginners...

Well, I guess they want exactly that: mass produce twisted trees that suck, and sell to as many people as possible!
 

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