BONSAI IN ARIZONA??

[August44]

The problem with Arizona, and most of the desert southwest is they are running out of water. It is important to look into any potential new location's source of water. You can find that in the heat of summer you might be prohibited from watering your outdoor bonsai trees by your local municipality, or water district, or home owner's association.

Definitely check out water sources and potential restrictions before purchasing. Desert country is no joke.

Thats a bit scary. I will make sure I check that out. I do see some of these houses down there with multiple large tanks along the side of the house or in the back with electricity and plumbing hooked to them. Have no idea what they are.

 

[Wulfskaar]

Thats a bit scary. I will make sure I check that out. I do see some of these houses down there with multiple large tanks along the side of the house or in the back with electricity and plumbing hooked to them. Have no idea what they are.

Southern CA is in the same boat... a boat sitting on a dry, dusty riverbed. The Colorado River trickles out to nothing before it hits the sea.

As of right now, we have strict watering restrictions for lawns, so there are a lot of people changing to native plants for their yards. It has rained more often this fall and winter than it has in the last several years, so that's good. But still, it's a bit unnerving to have to worry about water like that. We were actually starting to look to move where it rains on a more regular basis just because of the lack of water, such as in the PNW.

 

[andrewiles]

Fun fact. There is a river that enters the greater Phoenix area and never comes out the other side. It's not a big river, but still, the entire thing is diverted into canals and water supply.

 

[August44]

Southern CA is in the same boat... a boat sitting on a dry, dusty riverbed. The Colorado River trickles out to nothing before it hits the sea.

As of right now, we have strict watering restrictions for lawns, so there are a lot of people changing to native plants for their yards. It has rained more often this fall and winter than it has in the last several years, so that's good. But still, it's a bit unnerving to have to worry about water like that. We were actually starting to look to move where it rains on a more regular basis just because of the lack of water, such as in the PNW.

Wow! I had better pay attention to where I move. Yes, the West side of Oregon is wonderful and gets around 36" of rain a year in Portland. I don't do well with the way the State is run and who is in charge, but you might be fine with it. Great bonsai club up there also, and Ryan Neil is right down the road.

 

[El Tigre de Bonsai]

im about 8 hours south of Tucson and I have a decent collection of bonsai, you just got to make sure to pick plants that can live in the climate. There are many oaks that would do okay in Arizona

 

[August44]

im about 8 hours south of Tucson and I have a decent collection of bonsai, you just got to make sure to pick plants that can live in the climate. There are many oaks that would do okay in Arizona

Do you collect yamadori down there?

 

[El Tigre de Bonsai]

Do you collect yamadori down there?

i have collected some oak acorns, Bursera trees, and some other local species. I try sticking to seeds, havent dug up many plants. I did dig up some Bald Cypress (Ahuehuete in Mexico) from a nearby river a year ago and they are very vigorous growers.

 

[August44]

And then someone suggested South Carolina. I checked out a little town in NW SC called Easley. Pretty amazing what one can buy a nice house there for compared to other places, and they get 50+ inches of rain per year so don't have to worry about that. I dono about that though, I live in Iowa for 6 years awhile back and it was like living on another planet. I swore I would never live East of the Rockies again.

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

And then someone suggested South Carolina. I checked out a little town in NW SC called Easley. Pretty amazing what one can buy a nice house there for compared to other places, and they get 50+ inches of rain per year so don't have to worry about that. I dono about that though, I live in Iowa for 6 years awhile back and it was like living on another planet. I swore I would never live East of the Rockies again.

Check out Texas. Hill Country, New Braunfels, TX. The area is north of San Antonio and would agree with your politics. Most of Texas is pretty "red", with small islands of blue or purple in the university towns like San Antonio. A very "red" friend of mine married to a very "blue" lady. The area was a good choice for them , conservative enough for my friend, close enough to more liberal San Antonio for his wife.

Climate in "Hill Country" is not as brutally hot as rest of Texas, you can raise nice trees there. They also have water.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Water would indeed be a big consideration. Texas Hill country is no exception. Here’s the National Drought site for reference.

My brother lives in SE Tennessee, Del Rio, a couple miles from N.Carolina. He loves that area which is right in the National Forest, near Asheville, NC

Back in the day I always liked the idea of moving to Missoula MT. Lots of trees, water, good people and big skies!

cheers
DSD sends

 

[August44]

Water would indeed be a big consideration. Texas Hill country is no exception. Here’s the National Drought site for reference.

My brother lives in SE Tennessee, Del Rio, a couple miles from N.Carolina. He loves that area which is right in the National Forest, near Asheville, NC

Back in the day I always liked the idea of moving to Missoula MT. Lots of trees, water, good people and big skies!

cheers
DSD sends

My wife's son has lived in Missoula for several years while graduating from college. I also have relatives over there if they didn't freeze to death since I saw them last. Back in the day, maybe. In todays day, not a chance DSD

 

[August44]

We asked a Relator in Arizona some questions about the water situation. Here is the answer we received. I did the red emphasis.

"In regards to water, I understand your concern and I wanted your ease your mind regarding water in Arizona so I reached out to our Land Analyst. He informed me that anywhere homes are built, they need to have a 100-year Certificate of Assured Water tied to the property. That simply means, based on studies, there is enough water estimated for 100 years for that homesite." Anyone think that sounds a little funny?

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

I’ve got a house in Peoria, outside Phoenix. Yes there is water, but in that area you might need an RO system as the water is quite a bit alkaline, at least in that area and my daughter’s place in Scottsdale. It is hot there.. Best thing to do in advance is to contact the Phoenix club before pulling the trigger.

I dunno how long the water will last, especially considering the Colorado situation. My gut feeling is that unless devine intervention occurs, somehow or another the politicians will figure out at the last minute, likely, that recycling water will be the way to go. That would mean the wastewater will be reused for agriculture first and possibly down the line, purified for drinking water.

Tucson and some areas in California have already started down this road.

cheers
DSD sends

 

[Cosmos]

We asked a Relator in Arizona some questions about the water situation. Here is the answer we received. I did the red emphasis.

"In regards to water, I understand your concern and I wanted your ease your mind regarding water in Arizona so I reached out to our Land Analyst. He informed me that anywhere homes are built, they need to have a 100-year Certificate of Assured Water tied to the property. That simply means, based on studies, there is enough water estimated for 100 years for that homesite." Anyone think that sounds a little funny?

For a bit of a critical look at those 100-year assessments:
In Arizona, Colorado River crisis stokes worry over growth and groundwater depletion

 

[dinhn]

I was born and raised in Oregon. Oregon has a West Side that is about totally blue. They run the entire State because there is way more people over there than on the East side where I live. The West side does whatever it wants to do with no thoughts/considerations about what the East side might want. There are attempts at every election to try and change that, but not any success lately. The Democratic candidate for president has won in Oregon in every election since 1988. Both houses of Oregon's legislative assembly have been under Democratic control since the 2012 elections. Oregon has not elected a Republican Governor since Vic Atiyeh won reelection in 1982. IMO, things have been going downhill in Oregon for a long time. Portland Oregon used to be beautiful. Now it's an absolute shit hole. Sorry for the language, but I know no other way to describe it. To me it's very simple. If your neighbor has a messy yard, and his house is a pig pen, it's nobodies fault but his. It's also the City/States fault where he lives if those two entities choose to embrace the neighbor and his mess for whatever reason, then the entire City and State can become that way. I am very logical and in no way do I understand the stupidity of that kind of thinking or the Governing, and I'm not at all sure I want to hear or read any kind of explanation of crazy because it's still crazy and I won't agree or like it.

It is like living with a bad partner. Some people get to a point where they have to raise their middle finger, scream at them one last time, and move on. I am there!

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I thought America had become a blue nation. Am I wrong?

 

[Potawatomi13]

I thought America had become a blue nation. Am I wrong?

IF you listen to the lying liberal media you will get that conclusion. They suppress all conservative, constitutional thought as much as possible from public view. However there are many of us fighting to save the nation from socialism, and those that want to destroy the Constitution and to preserve the vision of the Godly founding fathers as one nation under God

 

[shohin_branches]

IF you listen to the lying liberal media you will get that conclusion. They suppress all conservative, constitutional thought as much as possible from public view. However there are many of us fighting to save the nation from socialism, and those that want to destroy the Constitution and to preserve the vision of the Godly founding fathers as one nation under God

Yikes

 

[August44]

IF you listen to the lying liberal media you will get that conclusion. They suppress all conservative, constitutional thought as much as possible from public view. However there are many of us fighting to save the nation from socialism, and those that want to destroy the Constitution and to preserve the vision of the Godly founding fathers as one nation under God

Very true story!

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Gosh folks. This thread was about prospective places to move and do bonsai. All ok

It now seems to have deteriorated into a “X” or Facebook rant about politics. Likely best NOT to carry it out there.

Don’t get me wrong, I’ve served my country, for over 20 years all over the world and I’m entirely willing to chat about politics, lying politicians of all colors and the failings of the media face to face ,on the phone as long as one has the factual evidence. as OP knows…. I open to it in the proper venue… yet this kind of verbiage is what got the Teahouse closed down and drove many good BN folks elsewhere… something I absolutely do not wish to happen.

So my opinion, please put an end to this part of the topic on BN and find another forum dedicated to politics

Sincerely
DSD sends

 

[TrevorLarsen]

This should absolutely be top of mind. I am already making plans to exit Utah in the next five years for a locale with more reliable water. The town I moved from last year is getting ready to tap an aquifer that took thousands of years to fill and will last 50. Well water is declining all over Arizona. There was a story in the news yesterday about a small community outside Scottsdale that will supposedly have their water feed shut off because the city just doesn't have the water. Long term, it isn't just water restrictions - it's no water or at least very expensive water.

I agree as a Utahn also water is a big problem, but it is only a problem of logistics. There is plenty of water just not in the right places. As soon as the money is there pipelines will be the ultimate water solution. Sure it will be a huge task but when millions of people and trillions of dollars are on the line a solution will be found.