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Drop Branch Murphy
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I guess I’ll just quit bonsai then.You hear that, @Adair M? You’re disagreeable and your cut paste covered trees suck!!! I guess it must be a Georgia thing...
Yup, give it up, Adair! Y’aint no good at it, bless yer heart!I guess I’ll just quit bonsai then.
Darn! I was just getting the hang of it, too!
Do ya think that if I move to Michigan my intelligence will improve so that I can blindly follow a scientific white paper that has no relevance to what I’m doing? Or, I can snub my nose to all the bonsai Masters who use inorganic soil, because I can grow sticks in pots in dirt?
Hold my beer, let me pack my bags...
Bless yer heart, little Adair. You just ain’t capable of comprehendin’ and understandin’ Those 35 year old high fallutin’ science papers... not yer fault, though... likely yer upbringing or the southern humidity er somethin’Oh, wait. At first he says, “I disagree”. Then, he calls ME “disagreeable”.
Huh? I thought Forsoothe! Disagreed with me! Doesn’t that make HIM disagreeable? Or is he the disagreeer? Can a disagreeer call someone else disagreeable? Is that the pot calling the kettle black?
I’m so confused!
Forget it! I can’t move Michigan! I’ll never figure out how to agree to disagree up there if we can’t figure out who is the disagreeer...
So, I don’t have to quit bonsai after all?Bless yer heart, little Adair. You just ain’t capable of comprehendin’ and understandin’ Those 35 year old high fallutin’ science papers... not yer fault, though... likely yer upbringing or the southern humidity er somethin’
Now hold on, you guys gotta be Certified to enter the Great State of Michigan. I don't think you have the qualifications. Maybe I can get you into a re-education program. Can one of you operate a scissors?I guess I’ll just quit bonsai then.
Darn! I was just getting the hang of it, too!
Do ya think that if I move to Michigan my intelligence will improve so that I can blindly follow a scientific white paper that has no relevance to what I’m doing? Or, I can snub my nose to all the bonsai Masters who use inorganic soil, because I can grow sticks in pots in dirt?
Hold my beer, let me pack my bags...
Oh, I see, you’re “Certified”! That explains a lot! Lol!!!Now hold on, you guys gotta be Certified to enter the Great State of Michigan. I don't think you have the qualifications. Maybe I can get you into a re-education program. Can one of you operate a scissors?
Good Question, good answer at post #32 Actually, the basics of pruning trees are not new, just like the controversy of painting shut or not. The study, if you bothered to read it, says that painting has no effect. The tree closes the wound, or not, with its own chemistry, and that varies widely between species, and individuals based on the health of the tree. So, you can paint the wound closed, or not, with this or that preparation, and life goes on, the tree does its job, too.This is the study that changed the pruning rules for trees right? Where you should leave the branch collar on the tree, as it speeds up the growth of bark, and reduces die-back?
Hm.. Why do we bother with taking a nib out of the trunk when we remove the branch. We should be leaving a stub when trimming. THEN it will heal faster.
Might be worth a stroll through THIS thread from a few years ago. Bill Valavanis weighs in (he's no uneducated, unfamiliar noob--in case your unfamiliar with Bill's work...OK, you didn't read much of it, but others considering the issues here might find it cogent. And, people can take for what it's worth whether or not the wood is different if you whisper in its knothole, "Grow like bonsai, 'cause if you grow like lumber, you're a different kind of wood." Sure. I'm convinced!
That happens way too often and is the major impediment to doing my work efficiently.This is the study that changed the pruning rules for trees right? Where you should leave the branch collar on the tree, as it speeds up the growth of bark, and reduces die-back?
Hm.. Why do we bother with taking a nib out of the trunk when we remove the branch. We should be leaving a stub when trimming. THEN it will heal faster.
As an academic I am always surpised how good people are at taking an academic study out of context and pretending it is valid in all other situations.
The study, if you bothered to read it, says that painting has no effect. The tree closes the wound, or not, with its own chemistry, and that varies widely between species, and individuals based on the health of the tree. So, you can paint the wound closed, or not, with this or that preparation, and life goes on, the tree does its job, too.
No, this makes no sense whatsoever. Wood that shrinks back to be flush with the trunk? Never seen it happen. Instead, I do see bulges on trees where bark has covered the collar, taking many years to be rendered smooth to the trunk, due to the trunk growing and smoothing out the bulges:Can we agree that we should trim the branch flush with the top of the callus/collar, whereupon the stub will shrink back to approximately flush with the trunk surface so the trunk's undamaged bark can cover the wound faster and look neater?