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Some hornbeams in the park with muscular fluted trunks, killer nebari and small hollows.
 

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That's awesome. The American ones don't get near that size. At least the ones around me. I would say ~ 12-18 inches (30cm) is about the max girth I have seen.
 

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That's awesome. The American ones don't get near that size. At least the ones around me. I would say ~ 12-18 inches (30cm) is about the max girth I have seen.
The Carpinus orientalis dont grow as big as these ones either, but theyre sort of a cross between tree and shrub, all remain great bonsai subjects.
 

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Hornbeam dont produce much if anything from root cuttings, so this stem i spotted poking out the ground recently surprised me.
its one of a few fat root cuttings taken from the bases of previous trees in this thread.
all were sold btw
 

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Hornbeam dont produce much if anything from root cuttings, so this stem i spotted poking out the ground recently surprised me.
its one of a few fat root cuttings taken from the bases of previous trees in this thread.
all were sold btw
I have had very good success propagating Hornbeam from root cuttings (specifically Carpinus Caroliniana).
 

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I have had very good success propagating Hornbeam from root cuttings (specifically Carpinus Caroliniana).
I was suprised when I went out in the allotment last summer and saw a large stump of a root cutting taken from one of the above trees, growing! Its just a thick piece of wood with a couple shoots extending but still. It was just sort of crudely cut off with a saw and shoved into the soil.
 

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I have had very good success propagating Hornbeam from root cuttings (specifically Carpinus Caroliniana).
If that one above forces out any more shoots it could be a decent clump in time!
 

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Nice inspiration for what can be done. Having a couple of hornbeams myself mainly C. betulus I was wondering about the burned leaf margins I see it in your pictures as in my own trees. What are your thought on this an how it can be avoided?
 

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Nice inspiration for what can be done. Having a couple of hornbeams myself mainly C. betulus I was wondering about the burned leaf margins I see it in your pictures as in my own trees. What are your thought on this an how it can be avoided?
Not missing waterings, using moisture retentive soil since theyre a thirsty tree and dont like being too dry on hot days. weaker rooted trees might suffer on hot days in bright sun.
 
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Not missing waterings, using moisture retentive soil since theyre a thirsty tree and dont like being too dry on hot days. weaker rooted trees might suffer on hot days in bright sun.
That is what I suspected, thanks for the confirmation
 

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Nice inspiration for what can be done. Having a couple of hornbeams myself mainly C. betulus I was wondering about the burned leaf margins I see it in your pictures as in my own trees. What are your thought on this an how it can be avoided?
Just adding on to some of what BobbyLane mentioned. Keep in mind that Hornbeam are generally understory trees and typically get some shade. I let a lot of mine get full sun but as we get into the heat of summer I start shading them.
 
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I mean, apart from looking a little unsightly the brown sun burnt edges of leaves arent anything to worry about. I just have a balcony so dont have much options to use shaded areas. the brown edges can be rubbed out between the finger tips or removed during partial defoliation, or just pruned off with scissors leaving the the unburnt part of the leaf. This is one reason why I use an organic heavy mix for these trees, since they dont tolerate drought well, or drying winds combined with scorching sun, its the same for beeches. once they become well established with a strong root system you should see less brown edges. they do well with a top covering of moss, which helps in keeping the roots near the surface moist at all times.
 
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Just adding on to some of what BobbyLane mentioned. Keep in mind that Hornbeam are generally understory trees and typically get some shade. I let a lot of mine get full sun but as we get into the heat of summer I start shading them.
Will do the same, thanks
 

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Here's a Hornbeam I picked up I think at the end of 2017, and I would of done the carving winter that year , these pics are around early summer 2018...
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@ConorDash purchased the tree off me that same year, he shared some images via whatsap, this is what the tree looks like today, note how all the branch transitions have progressed, the leader has thickened up and has more length, and also...NO DIE BACK!

Everything is how I left it, how I envisioned it would be. Nice, thick branching with taper that is in proportion to the chunky trunk. with angular movement.
It looks like it grew that way itself...

Conar likes to let his trees grow wild, so its had a great chance to grow out properly so that the transitions have become very convincing. a very rugged looking Hornbeam. the nebari isnt great, I suggested a ground layer to Conor, maybe.
Btw this is still mostly in the nursery soil I bought it in, just with some cat litter around the sides and base, top.
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I made a suggestion, I wouldnt be averse to having the second apex tilted upwards to be more parallel with the main apex, for a more powerful veteran tree look, it gives off that ancient, towering deciduous tree image with multiple apices, boom, boom, boom.
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I like the angularity but some areas in the tree are too cluttered for me. The lines are good but there is too much going on. In the picture you shared I see this, blue modify, red remove (could be bent backwards).
 

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Yeh Conah was saying he's in the process of thinning the tree out a tad.
These images are merely to show progress made, not that its a finished tree.
 
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