Do any of you use a Kaneshin water wand?

[Miguelito's Blade]

I wanted to upgrade to a Kaneshin watering wand, but in their online images I can't see any means of attachment to the hose. Apparently the reason that no means of attaching the wand to the hose is visible is because the threads are on the inside of the wand, which, of course, is where they have to be to accept the hose threads. I wrote to the factory to ask about the means of attachment, and received a very nice response telling me that the wand can't possibly be used outside of Japan due to the size or shape of the threads {he didn't say which} is not compatible with the threads in the US. Based upon further reading I have done, it would appear that a pipe fitting that is 3/4 inch PT to hose threads will connect the wand to the hose. The gentleman at Kaneshin, though, had said that there is no fitting to connect them. I would like to verify that I'm right about the fitting that I need before I pay the price for the wand and put my theory to the test. If any of you use the Kaneshin wand please let me know. Thanks.

 

[Flowerhouse]

I use this watering wand from Sumo Bonsai. https://sumobonsaisupply.com/shop/watering-wand/ The packaging says Joshua Roth, but the wand itself says Kaneshin, I think. Not going to check right now because it's REALLY cold outside and the wand is in my shed. It comes with an adaptor in the package, ready to use. @Jeramiah is a member here, good guy.

 

[Miguelito's Blade]

I use this watering wand from Sumo Bonsai. https://sumobonsaisupply.com/shop/watering-wand/ The packaging says Joshua Roth, but the wand itself says Kaneshin, I think. Not going to check right now because it's REALLY cold outside and the wand is in my shed. It comes with an adaptor in the package, ready to use. @Jeramiah is a member here, good guy.

The reason I want to replace mine (I don't remember anything about its make or origin) is that the spray is too heavy and there is no water control device on it. Is the spray very fine out of the one you use?

 

[rockm]

I wanted to upgrade to a Kaneshin watering wand, but in their online images I can't see any means of attachment to the hose. Apparently the reason that no means of attaching the wand to the hose is visible is because the threads are on the inside of the wand, which, of course, is where they have to be to accept the hose threads. I wrote to the factory to ask about the means of attachment, and received a very nice response telling me that the wand can't possibly be used outside of Japan due to the size or shape of the threads {he didn't say which} is not compatible with the threads in the US. Based upon further reading I have done, it would appear that a pipe fitting that is 3/4 inch PT to hose threads will connect the wand to the hose. The gentleman at Kaneshin, though, had said that there is no fitting to connect them. I would like to verify that I'm right about the fitting that I need before I pay the price for the wand and put my theory to the test. If any of you use the Kaneshin wand please let me know. Thanks.

If this is what you're talking about

[KANESHIN of bonsai tool]Micro Watering Nozzle made of brass with cock -Wide width type- "Length 630mm " No.127F

It's not really worth the trouble, doesn't offer much more advantage than a typical (less expensive, more available and less hassle) Joshua Roth wand--unless you're watering a huge space constantly.

There are no fittings for the attachment. It jams into the end of the hose.

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If your spray is too heavy with your current wand, adjust the waterflow at the faucet or get a brass on/off attachment to put between the hose end and the wand. Those fittings have a lever shut off valve that allows adjustable flow...Used this for years..

https://www.lowes.com/pd/Yardsmith-Brass-Restricted-Flow-Water-Shut-Off/50328301?cm_mmc=shp-_-c-_-prd-_-sol-_-ggl-_-LIA_SOL_242_Tools-Watering-Storage-Sheds-_-50328301-_-local-_-0-_-0&ds_rl=1286981&gclid=CjwKCAiAg6yRBhBNEiwAeVyL0DJXeqfK_LjnR-um5q4AN8k6zaZaTms-wDyzDXMynJnytXUZkcHwbxoCr2oQAvD_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds

 

[Miguelito's Blade]

If this is what you're talking about

[KANESHIN of bonsai tool]Micro Watering Nozzle made of brass with cock -Wide width type- "Length 630mm " No.127F

It's not really worth the trouble, doesn't offer much more advantage than a typical (less expensive, more available and less hassle) Joshua Roth wand--unless you're watering a huge space constantly.

There are no fittings for the attachment. It jams into the end of the hose. If your spray is too heavy with your current wand, adjust the waterflow at the faucet of get a brass on/off attachment to put between the hose end and the wand. Those fittings have a lever shut off valve that allows adjustable flow...Used this for years..

That's the one. I wondered at first if it didn't just jam into the hose, but somewhere I saw mention of the fitting I described. And there is the guy from Kaneshin talking about incompatible fittings. But I am seriously considering the Joshua Roth wand,

 

[Flowerhouse]

The reason I want to replace mine (I don't remember anything about its make or origin) is that the spray is too heavy and there is no water control device on it. Is the spray very fine out of the one you use?

Fine enough for my purposes, fine enough to not disturb the bonsai planting mix. I adjust to a low water flow at the hose bib.

 

[rockm]

This one comes with a shutoff valve already attached...It's plastic though and I've had them crack. Brass fitting from Home Depot or Lowes is better...

Bonsai Watering Wand 10"

Watering wand for your bonsai and garden. A fine mesh nozzle provides a gentle velvet mist similar to a light rain. Fits U.S. garden hoses and comes with a convenient off-on control valve. Fine mesh screen is removable for easy cleaning and replacement if necessary. Overall length 10"

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Also, if you come across something like this, skip it. I've got one, water dribbles out and/or floods the soil, washing it away...expensive and inadequate for bonsai use fine for watering geraniums

Buy Haws Brass Watering Wand | Bloomscape

The Haws Brass Watering Wand is both stylish and functional. Perfect for watering outdoor plants and flowers.

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[Scorpius]

You want a Dramm watering wand with the 1000 hole head.

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Yep, I have a couple three “Joshua Roth” watering wands here. In my experience they have a couple flaws that show up over time.

First, the press fit union joining the hose thread section and metal wand becomes loose over time. It’s a simple matter to push the wand back in, however over time the press fit junction becomes looser and eventually it’s better to just replace the unit.…. Otherwise be on the lookout for the wand to jump out of the union. First time it did that I wasn’t ready and a couple trees got a full stream.



Second, The darn money saving plastic collar. Treat it gingerly or sooner or later the plastic takes a hit and cracks…especially when cold. I bought a couple spare collars…. and mesh (takes another story) from Stone Lantern last time this happened. Saves the price of an entire wand.

Finally if one is getting a shut off/ball valve to regulate the water flow, which one definitely should do, spend the money to get the Dramm heavy duty brass unit with the long handle. A person will really appreciate it after just one watering… and it will last a lifetime!

It also helps to have a brass quick release collar in between (shown between the wand and Dramm shutoff. Then over time get some spare male fittings for a pressure jet, mister, sprinkler etc… if these are used.


That said, one of these days I’m gonna break down and get the kids to get me a couple decent bulletproof brass 1200 Mazakuni watering wands like we use at the workand ditch the Joshua Roths we have here…!
cheers
DSD sends

 

[Frozentreehugger]

Yep, I have a couple three “Joshua Roth” watering wands here. In my experience they have a couple flaws that show up over time.

First, the press fit union joining the hose thread section and metal wand becomes loose over time. It’s a simple matter to push the wand back in, however over time the press fit junction becomes looser and eventually it’s better to just replace the unit.…. Otherwise be on the lookout for the wand to jump out of the union. First time it did that I wasn’t ready and a couple trees got a full stream.

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Second, The darn money saving plastic collar. Treat it gingerly or sooner or later the plastic takes a hit and cracks…especially when cold. I bought a couple spare collars…. and mesh (takes another story) from Stone Lantern last time this happened. Saves the price of an entire wand.
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Finally if one is getting a shut off/ball valve to regulate the water flow, which one definitely should do, spend the money to get the Dramm heavy duty brass unit with the long handle. A person will really appreciate it after just one watering… and it will last a lifetime!
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It also helps to have a brass quick release collar in between (shown between the wand and Dramm shutoff. Then over time get some spare male fittings for a pressure jet, mister, sprinkler etc… if these are used.
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That said, one of these days I’m gonna break down and get the kids to get me a couple decent bulletproof brass 1200 Mazakuni watering wands like we use at the workand ditch the Joshua Roths we have here…!
cheers
DSD sends

You have the correct plan . I need a new one also . All I have learned . Plastic and quick connections are junk . Last wand was aluminum Pro wand for nursery trade . Lasted well but water flow ware it out at the connections . You need brass or copper or stainless wand . Removable head for cleaning . Connections and quality valve easy to get at hardware store . Alternative I finished last summer . With one of those fireman style adjustable hose nozzles . Easy to turn adjust and get high flow fine spray . And unclogs with high flow . Hardware store . But again it’s aluminum and will eventually leak . Brass brass brass is all I have to add

 

[Shoshinsha]

Terry Erasmus did a short video on one that looks identical to the Kaneshin one:

 

[rockm]

Terry Erasmus did a short video on one that looks identical to the Kaneshin one:

Frankly, this looks silly if you have the same wand equipped with a threaded metal collar to attach to a hose, along with an inline shutoff valve. Both are easily and readily available through big box stores such as Wal Mart. Can't see why anyone would choose this over a much more effective (adjusting spray by kinking the hose, Really?) and probably cheaper threaded alternative...

 

[rockm]

I wanted to upgrade to a Kaneshin watering wand, but in their online images I can't see any means of attachment to the hose. Apparently the reason that no means of attaching the wand to the hose is visible is because the threads are on the inside of the wand, which, of course, is where they have to be to accept the hose threads. I wrote to the factory to ask about the means of attachment, and received a very nice response telling me that the wand can't possibly be used outside of Japan due to the size or shape of the threads {he didn't say which} is not compatible with the threads in the US. Based upon further reading I have done, it would appear that a pipe fitting that is 3/4 inch PT to hose threads will connect the wand to the hose. The gentleman at Kaneshin, though, had said that there is no fitting to connect them. I would like to verify that I'm right about the fitting that I need before I pay the price for the wand and put my theory to the test. If any of you use the Kaneshin wand please let me know. Thanks.

OK, so I am going to eat some crow here...I got a 500mm copper Kaneshin watering wand at the beginning of April and it's pretty terrific.

[KANESHIN of bonsai tool]Watering Nozzle Copper " Size 330mm No.125BS / Size 500mm No.125BL "

Pic of my rig is below.

I got it mine from North American Satsuki Bonsai Center. NASBC also had an even larger version of the same wand, copper and less expensive chrome. I got copper, well, because I'm a sucker ;-) and like the look and feel. A friend of mine later bought the largest chrome version at the PBA show in D.C. It works just as well.

Despite the complications of installing it (more on that later) and cost ($80--shorter chrome versions can be had for $20-$30--some with built in shut off valves), I've found it to be without a doubt the best watering utensil I've ever used. The longer length allows easier watering even in hard to reach pots. That said the cheaper, more easily installed wand offered through Joshua Roth and other places remains very good and a lot less expensive. I still have mine as a back up.

I've using been the Kaneshin for a month now and have been impressed with the extremely fine flow of water that doesn't disturb or wash away bonsai soil-unless you turn the waterflow on full tilt at the faucet. The Kaneshin's rose has triple the holes or more than the Roth and IMO is far superior to any western facsimile I've used, like Haws or Dram.

Installing it, however, can be a chore. Since it has no threaded end and is jammed into the cut end of a hose, it requires some thought and additional outlay of $ (not a lot though) if it's going to work correctly. First you need an additional (sacrificial) flexible garden hose--I got a 10 foot one at Home Depot for $20, hose clamps (I used steel plumber's grade, but you could probably get away with big zip ties--but those could deteriorate in the sun over time), and a decent brass shut off valve (which run about $10, the clamps are $4 for a pack of ten).

A word on the sacrifice hose--I was tempted to pay $5 for a cheapo hose. However in looking at the type of plastic used in cheap hoses, it was obvious they weren't going to work well, since they tended to be made of less flexible plastic. Most of them also had smaller diameters. Both of those things could damage the watering wand by bending it.

You have to cut the female end of the sacrificial hose off about a foot or so from the threaded end. That leaves a foot long (you can go shorter if you choose) pigtail of a hose with a female end. I chose to install a shut off valve between the modified hose on the wand side and the male end to the actual garden hose, allowing water flow to be adjusted quickly and easily without having to kink the hose with one hand and water with the other.

After being a skeptic, I'm a convert. Should not run my mouth before actual experience...

 

[Deep Sea Diver]

Glad you got something cool you like!

Being a bit of a klutz around hoses and other random and fallen articles scattered about the yard, I wonder about that flex section and copper tubing…. Is that something you have to take a lot of care and awareness when using and dragging the unit around the property?

cheers
DSD sends

 

[penumbra]

You want a Dramm watering wand with the 1000 hole head.

A wand is a wand, it is the head that matters. This is the one I use. ^^^ I have one at each of my 3 watering stations. Don't let them freeze with water in them or the screen can deform. Otherwise they last a long long time. Below is the link for Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HHSAR6/?coliid=I155A2S4VNFU4F&colid=1TV3GOD6PP0QW&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

 

[rockm]

Glad you got something cool you like!

Being a bit of a klutz around hoses and other random and fallen articles scattered about the yard, I wonder about that flex section and copper tubing…. Is that something you have to take a lot of care and awareness when using and dragging the unit around the property?

cheers
DSD sends

Yep, I hang the wand on a hook on my outside wall when not in use to keep it up off the ground. And yes, it will probably bend if you smack it into something, but then so will most watering wands and cans. I don't have a large yard, so it's not getting dragged forty yards at at time.

Like anything else, if you want it to last, take care of it. For instance, I learned the hard way not to forget to remove a cheapo watering wand from the hose come the first freeze. Water expanded inside it and split it. I haven't forgotten that lesson.

FWIW, this one isn't as delicate as it looks. It's pretty sturdy if you don't abuse it too much. If concerned about the copper, the chrome versions are about half the price.

 

[rockm]

A wand is a wand, it is the head that matters. This is the one I use. ^^^ I have one at each of my 3 watering stations. Don't let them freeze with water in them or the screen can deform. Otherwise they last a long long time. Below is the link for Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HHSAR6/?coliid=I155A2S4VNFU4F&colid=1TV3GOD6PP0QW&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

The head, or rose, does matter. I've used this head too. Not the same...IMO.

 

[bwaynef]

A wand is a wand, it is the head that matters. This is the one I use. ^^^ I have one at each of my 3 watering stations. Don't let them freeze with water in them or the screen can deform. Otherwise they last a long long time. Below is the link for Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B000HHSAR6/?coliid=I155A2S4VNFU4F&colid=1TV3GOD6PP0QW&psc=1&ref_=lv_ov_lig_dp_it

Have you used one of the heads that come on a kaneshin, joshua roth, or masakuni wand? I PROMISE you, its better for bonsai purposes than a DRAMM 1000. (I've got 2 Dramm 1000s, a Dramm 480, and a Dramm 180 (or something like that) heads and they do NOT compare to the Japanese (or Japanese-inspired) heads.

 

[penumbra]

The head, or rose, does matter. I've used this head too. Not the same...IMO.

Have you used one of the heads that come on a kaneshin, joshua roth, or masakuni wand? I PROMISE you, its better for bonsai purposes than a DRAMM 1000. (I've got 2 Dramm 1000s, a Dramm 480, and a Dramm 180 (or something like that) heads and they do NOT compare to the Japanese (or Japanese-inspired) heads.

I have not used one of these Japanese made heads. Maybe I will get one some day that is dedicated to the bonsai on the benches. Truth is however, I have no problem with the Dramm or Leonard heads I have been using for several years. At one point I used misting heads which come in four different GPM ratings, but that was for very delicate tiny seedlings and mushroom cultivation. My bonsai are not worse for the wear from using the heads I have.

 

[rockm]

I have not used one of these Japanese made heads. Maybe I will get one some day that is dedicated to the bonsai on the benches. Truth is however, I have no problem with the Dramm or Leonard heads I have been using for several years. At one point I used misting heads which come in four different GPM ratings, but that was for very delicate tiny seedlings and mushroom cultivation. My bonsai are not worse for the wear from using the heads I have.

If it ain't broke don't fix it . I have been looking for a watering wand for a while. Wasn't happy with Dramm or Hawes. This one fit the bill for me.