Dwarf Brush Cherry large diameter cutting.

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I figured I would start my first tree thread with the fat little dwarf brush cherry (syzygium paniculatum/eugenia myrtifolia). This tree started its journey last fall during a Bill V. Introductory class. While we were all working on our trees Bill and his wife were busily sawing the apex off a specimen dwarf brush cherry bonsai of his (I wish I had a picture of it!). The removed top might have gone out with the trash, but as I was walking by Bill plucked it off the top of the bin and handed it to me, saying “try to put roots on it.”

When I got it home, I did just that. The following is an excerpt from a post I did on a propagation FB page.

“Large Hardwood cutting, 1.5 inch diameter at base, taken in Oct 2018. This was the apex taken off a large specimen bonsai during restyling. Most of the top growth was removed and 1/4 inch of bark was stripped around the cut. The cut was then coated in powdered IBA and placed in 1:1 perlite/peat.”

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Oct ‘18 - Immediately after above procedure completed


“The cutting was covered in a humidity dome and misted by hand most days. It was kept outside in the shade while weather permitted, then moved inside under shop lights for the winter. It pushed some new leaves just a few weeks after being taken, but I did not have any other evidence of rooting until December when I found fine white roots when the top layer of soil was brushed aside. It is still growing vigorously.”


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Feb ‘19 - After striking, and growing under lights all winter


I let the tree grow outside without touching it all spring and summer. It became very dense and bushy, but unfortunately I don’t have any pics at its most bushy and unruly. I took it to a couple fall club meetings for advice/help, since I really had no clue how to go about taming it in a methodical manner. At the first meeting it received its first haircut. Soon after I took my first look at its root system and repotted it. I completely forgot to take pictures of it after root-washing, but I was quite please with the relatively flat, evenly distributed roots.


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Oct ‘19 - My bushiest pic, but this is after it’s first pruning and resulting regrowth.


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Oct ‘19 - First repot, healthy root system.


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Oct ‘19 - After repot in its winter resting place.


The tree is certainly an obvious broom style shohin candidate, but one of our seasoned vets at the 2nd meeting suggested that it would be more interesting to clear some of those branches and foliage to highlight its strong trunk line. Thus, I decided to move away from the broom and gave it another pruning (these trees love being pruned!), and that is where we find ourselves now.


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Jan ‘20 - After further pruning and wiring to set main branch structure.


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Jan ‘20 - View from the rear.


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Jan ‘20 - Close-up of large wound.


The tree is certainly very rough around the edges, but I like it’s direction. Next on the list is encouraging growth of a structural limb to fill in the top-rear section of the canopy, because it is quite empty. Previously, it was filled in awkwardly by long side shoots extending from other parts of the tree, so they had to go. There are plenty of shoot candidates to choose from for a good back branch to fill that section. I’m also interested to see how the large wound will heal. With all the work I’ve done to it recently I figure I will let it grow rampant for awhile, just rubbing off some of the buds in the clusters that pop up everywhere. However, if anyone has a strong argument for keeping up with pruning shoots back as they extend, let me know! All input, ideas, or criticism welcome!
 

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That is great man!
Gives me hope for my Zelkova stumps from last week.I think they will be ok because there is roots already and I cut the undersides.I have seen smaller trees like this root befor,but they had leaves.
It is indoors though...86f .....60% humidity.It gets kelp and fulvic acid only daily lol.
Hope I see roots poking out of the pouches soon.
 

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This could be a definite game-changer. I saw where the late Bonsai Illigan sprouted some really big "cuttings" with a good success ratio. I figured he did it because he was in the tropics. A 1.5" base is a really good start for another bonsai from something that might have just gone in the trash.
 

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Something just came back to me. A few years back, I had a 3 foot diameter bald cypress removed from my yard. I kept a few of the blocks for bonsai stands. A couple of months went by and I noticed something that appeared to be coming off one of the blocks. It was a cypress sprout about 18" long. Chances are it was just residual energy in the stump, but you never know. With hundreds of millions of years of evolution , trees are pretty darned resillient.
 

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This could be a definite game-changer. I saw where the late Bonsai Illigan sprouted some really big "cuttings" with a good success ratio. I figured he did it because he was in the tropics. A 1.5" base is a really good start for another bonsai from something that might have just gone in the trash.

I would venture a guess that this would be very reproducible with this species. I am a journeyman propagator at best, and I have no special equipment of any sort. The humidity dome I used was a literally big jug of cheese balls with the bottom cut out.

Your story of the bald cypress is right on. It’s certainly species dependent, but they all work pretty hard to stay alive. In this case I’m relatively certain that there was new top growth before it rooted at all. I think the nice thick, waxy cuticle of brush cherry leaves probably make them more forgiving when trying to strike cuttings.
 

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Here are a few pictures from the end of this growing season. I think this guy is progressing nicely. I had to repot on 9/1/20 because the roots were already pushing it out of the pot. I cleared out the pad of roots at the bottom and took out a little soil at the edges. The tree didn’t miss a beat.
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A few weeks later on 9/19/20 it was time to give it a trim to bring the silhouette in tighter.
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I think this is about where I want to keep the canopy, but I am open to other opinions.
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This is where we are today, 10/3/20. As is the tree feels slightly “unstable” to me. I think I will bring a few of the left hand branches down a bit and that should make it feel more balanced.
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I am quite happy with how the nebari is developing. I luckily got a great spread of roots around the whole trunk when the cutting struck.
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This is the mother tree at Bill V’s that my tree was sawed off of.
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Thanks for looking. I’m open to any criticism/input.
 

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I figured I would give a quick update. The tree has been wired several times, and I worked the roots hard last year to improve the spread. I aim aiming to encouraging the long unbranched roots to ramify, and so I cut them back, and have them buried currently. Most recently, I defoliated the tree a couple weeks ago to facilitate wiring and allow me to do minor surgery on the old scar. I dug out the punky wood and filled it with epoxy before re-wounding the stalled callus tissue and applying sealant w/hormone. With any luck I can get the healing kick started.

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After defoliation
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Scar
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Filled w/ epoxy
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Branches wired to improve structure
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Thanks! It was my first time defoliating it completely. It is definitely a whole new perspective to see it without foliage, and very gratifying to see the ramification starting to happen.
 
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