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WOW.............you're really taking this SERIOUSLY :)
Thanks,yea.Keeps me busy.I am in love with the finished product.I am considering doing a bunch of regular seedlings with the next batch.They are easier and grow really fast!
or simply grow out what I have left to that level.
 

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I use Botanicare hydro nutrients along with other sources for tech grade amino acids and stuff.

Hi Cmeg1,

I know using amino acids to boost calcium uptake because of L-Glycine L-Glutamic. What's the purpose of using Raw Omina? My hard water is about 500ppm and how effective is Omina with hard water? I'm thinking about combining Amino Acids and Omina but I'm afraid it would be over kill for calcium uptake. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Cmeg1.
 

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I use Botanicare hydro nutrients along with other sources for tech grade amino acids and stuff.

Hi Cmeg1,

I know using amino acids to boost calcium uptake because of L-Glycine L-Glutamic. What's the purpose of using Raw Omina? My hard water is about 500ppm and how effective is Omina with hard water? I'm thinking about combining Amino Acids and Omina but I'm afraid it would be over kill for calcium uptake. Thanks for sharing your knowledge Cmeg1.
Did you see this video?
I use both as raw omina has all kinds of amino acids.Amini has the calcium boost(extremely useful)
Just look at there feed schedules to get an idea......they use both as well.
I use way less nitrogen than they do though
 

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I also use one of these indoors pretty inexpensive.....beware though ro water needs to have calmag and humic acid added to it to make ph stable....plain ro water will pull nutrients out of your plantsB8160689-FEF1-49E9-9677-BC17ED70B2A3.jpeg
The benefit of these for me is to get same amount of fertilizer at a lower EC in solution ,so less salts and most effective use of fertilizer....love these things....rain is same way.
Gets my tap from 200 ppm down to 20 ppm!
 
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Also the nitrates in raw omina and amino are soluable and very little is available to plants(according to Harley) something about the nitrate being inside the molecule.
As for the organic side of the omina, organics do not contribute to EC.
 

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500 is wicked high...watch you do not overfertilize.I think that is .7 ec which is a great level of fertilizer all around through mid veg ,especially when using fulvic acid.I never go over 1.3 in veg until you want to bloom something,which I never do indoors.Oudoors you can go past -1.3 in late summer and autumn to harden plants for winter.The high ec actualky is harder for plants to absorb water because of the salts and the stress creates oils and terpines in the plant.
Well or tap?
The micro 75 is only about $100. They do waste 50% of water in process though...mine makes about 2-3 gallons an hour?
Also need at least 40psi water pressure..else need to spend money on their booster pumps.$200
Im fortunate I had 40psi
 
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I used to have RO but it was wasting a lot of water. I now use peatmoss to bring down the ppm. If Raw Omina can help to claw calcium ions in water which will prevent lime scale to form and I don't have to use peat moss which is a mess :).
 

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I used to have RO but it was wasting a lot of water. I now use peatmoss to bring down the ppm. If Raw Omina can help to claw calcium ions in water which will prevent lime scale to form and I don't have to use peat moss which is a mess :).
Cool.Harley is great with info!
 

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Hey CM, pleased to see you're selling your stock, but I'm sure you're underselling! Given the work that's gone into your process I would expect 100% more for them.

My first cuttings are taking root which is very satisfying as I'm sure you know.

Have you followed threads on 2nd and 3rd cuttings? Some of yours I noticed you'd done this because they'd dried out / not rooted, and then came back strong.

Im keen to try it but don't know about timings. My cuttings throw 3 or so radial roots, but there's obviously potential for more there! What do you think?
 

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Hey CM, pleased to see you're selling your stock, but I'm sure you're underselling! Given the work that's gone into your process I would expect 100% more for them.

My first cuttings are taking root which is very satisfying as I'm sure you know.

Have you followed threads on 2nd and 3rd cuttings? Some of yours I noticed you'd done this because they'd dried out / not rooted, and then came back strong.

Im keen to try it but don't know about timings. My cuttings throw 3 or so radial roots, but there's obviously potential for more there! What do you think?
I do not have the patience for second and third cuttings.I tried and all I got were callous.
my most recent attempt of about 30 or so cuttings actually gave nearly 100% success ...radial roots too! found they cut better when stem is deep red ...any later and later a they just callous big time.That was my first attempt...Maybe I have things dialed in better..I may try again.I am going to mimick my last attempt in the future .Could of been lighting par also!
I have serious potting to do of about 100 or so still in the propagator.I will post my results In a few days.
i found a 1:1 nitrogen to potassium ratio is best as per my teachers instruction for all pre cutting material...very low seedling Low strength...the low side of barely adequate...... but lots of added humic acid and kelp at a 5:2 ratio....1/8 Fulvic 1/16 kelp tsp gallon......aminos too.....the nitrogen in aminos like NPK RAW brands are in the molecule so they are unavailable to plant so will not throw off your 1:1 ratio.......to keep the ratio 1:1 I had to break out the ppm calculator online to convert %- ppm for the kelp and humic as they have some mineral %....The base is clonex which is already 1:1....
just simple. .......if your quart of fertilizer is 2% nitrogen than figure how many ml.or tsp or whatever you use to measure is in your gallon of water.
than find out how many ppm your 2% N or P or K ...which is now your tsp or ml you use to measure fert... how many ppm that % is with the online ppm calculator. Than devide that ppm # by the ,for me, 3000 ml Or 600 or so tsp in my jug of water. And if 1/16 tsp is what you use than devide again.If you use 3ml of fert than multiply your ml ppm figure by the 3 then.
than u have ppm per jug of solution of NPK’s and tweak the quantities.
Of N P K.
then for the base I add clonex because it is naturally a 1:1 cuttings fert.
can then make your solution strong or week as you want As the bio stimulants are always balanced...just adjust the clonex in varying strengths.
hey, my first attempt this way yielded almost 100% success with ra dial roots on all out of 30 qty in a couple trays...We will see how the big tray of 100 or so success rate is.
and for the Fulvic acid and kelp 5:2 ratio weekly foliar feeds prior to cutting and during propagation I use powders without any nitrates because nitrates hinder rooting from nitrogen allocating to the stem.
I was using The botanicare Karma for foliar pre cuttings and during and little did I know it was hindering rooting considerably from the minerals in the product.......the powders are way better in this respect.....Fulvic has none....kelp is kelp...Virginia tech says’ do a 5:2 ratio of Fulvic powder and kelp...so does my teacher....at least two weeks before taking cutting and also during ......Just a weekly basis though as kelp will definately burn On leaves....roots are fine.....no more than once a week For foliar.Increases photosynthesis and makes natural rooting hormones down the stem before cutting!
also dip& grow 5 minute dip works best,...I get pretty good roots first time...no need really for 2 or 3 cuts....but you need to build a contraption to dip 20 cuttings at a time with a timer or it takes hours to do lots of cuttings.I also keep the bottom heat high at 85 degrees F until I see roots on most and then drop to 78 so they grow faster...
there you have it!
Thanks for the compliment...yea I sell pretty cheap...whatever.
fulvic is foliar and humic is better for roots as it has both humic and Fulvic fractions with tons more beneficial growth elements...especially for ro water.
 

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I like Fulvic acid and kelp for overnight seed soak.



This is FW Schumacher seed,but still....they sprout in 4 days when I soak over night in Fulvic acid and kelp.....awesome....no stratification.....typical for fresh seed.
 

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nice little Zelkova

pruned,defoliate ,Re-Wire.I totally dig some of these......this one has 1/4-1/2” internodes!
Give them a little time...........It’s good to get everything right with these nutritionally......or they may not do as they are supposed to🧐

ONLY 4.5 months........grown from seed ,air-layered and all............yaaaaaaay!
 

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nice little Zelkova

pruned,defoliate ,Re-Wire.I totally dig some of these......this one has 1/4-1/2” internodes!
Give them a little time...........It’s good to get everything right with these nutritionally......or they may not do as they are supposed to🧐

ONLY 4.5 months........grown from seed ,air-layered and all............yaaaaaaay!
That's pretty amazing. You should be proud.
 

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That's pretty amazing. You should be proud.
Stoked,Yes.Thanks!
Really nice when they get a full crown.I’m wondering how much times I can defoliate indoors.
Outdoors the usual is one ore two....maybe these can handle more with the co2pumpin’
 

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I was using The botanicare Karma for foliar pre cuttings and during and little did I know it was hindering rooting considerably from the minerals in the product.......the powders are way better in this respect..

Cmeg1,

You're saying Botanicare Karma is not as good as Raw Kelp when you use it for foliar spray or root drench? I just start using fulvex and karma but thinking about switching them to Raw Humic Acid and Kelp. Do you see the differences between Botanicare Fulvex, Karma and Raw HA, Kelp? Thanks
 

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Cmeg1,

You're saying Botanicare Karma is not as good as Raw Kelp when you use it for foliar spray or root drench? I just start using fulvex and karma but thinking about switching them to Raw Humic Acid and Kelp. Do you see the differences between Botanicare Fulvex, Karma and Raw HA, Kelp? Thanks
Karma and fulvex are excellent product!!
But for pre-cutting to pump up the seedlings with absolutly no nitrates that can allocate to stem.....the powders are better.Fulvic acid powder has no nitrogen.For pre cuttings I personally had better results with powders.
Karma is killer stuff..fulvex is killer too with its added micro nutrients....I have a gallon of each lol
Giving the powders a go and find them better....way cheaper too.
 

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another zelkova today
 

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Set up the tent

Wow! I did an all nighter to get the hardest part of this done.I transferred everything and tinkered around for 14 hours.Looks like I just need a humidity control.I leave a vent open on top and heat is not an issue.
When I get the humidity control today,I believe I can plug my co2 controller into the same plug as the in-line fan that the humidity controller uses or something and my co2 controller will not release any co2 for the 2 whole minutes or less it takes for the in-line fan to exhaust enough humidity to get it under control.......We’ll see how long my co2 lasts.I turned it down to 1000 PPM even.The tent is half the size of room so I think it should not be too much extra.My buddy at the hydro shop said leave the vent open on top because most of the co2 sinks down anyway and that is where I keep the detector.
I keep a small fan high,next to the wall in the corner of the room to keep any heat out.I will replace my drywall and insulation in a day or so.No more condensation on windows and the wall is nice and cool!
Will get the bugs worked out in a few days.I may run the duct further out of the room or simple a stand up fan to blow out any slight heat........ the wet wall made me very cautious!
The best tent money can buy...The ggt48 by Gorilla Grow Tent.Very thick and insulated.I lucked out because Amazon listed price wrong and ai got it at HALF PRICE!!! $365 instead of $665;)
Damn your setup is lit CMEG1. What lights are you using in there? I currently have a Mars Hydro SP250 and my plants are doing well under it. But I am expanding my setup. I'm researching different options right now
 
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