Extreme Bonsai

[Gustavo Martins]

All you have to do is follow the $$$. Al Gore has made hundreds of millions selling this to gullible lemmings. If you want to pretend you are not beholden to those who approve your funding, go ahead.

Yeah. The same government that gets to spends millions to mitigate the consequences of climate change. It would be so much easier for them to ignore it don't you think? Your rationale, if coherent, would imply that governments would benefit if there was no climate change. But it is actually the other way around.

But tell me. When you feel sick do you go to the doctor? And do you have whatever pill he/she prescribes to you? Someone out there is making money from you. To be corehent, you should never go to the doctor. You know, the science behind the medicine was payed for by profitable industries. So the pills are BS and you don't need them cause you're not sick.

 

[Vance Wood]

Those are your words. I said I believe Vance to be a good person. I was simply saying he was basically quoting Hitler. Political beliefs aside how can you not agree that this sounds like a Trump tactic?
"If you sell a lie long enough and loud enough from a position of respect, power, or fear; everntually people will believe it."

Just because it was Hitler, actually it was Geobeles who said it, does not mean it is not true in fact. The principle is true regardless of who said it, right or wrong.

 

[Vance Wood]

Just because it was Hitler, actually it was Geobeles who said it, does not mean it is not true in fact. The principle is true regardless of who said it, right or wrong.

I don't believe Trump is selling a lie, and it was not Trump I was quoting or referring to, it was the environmental lie from the left.

 

[zelk]

The earth is changing, I don't care what party you're from.

 

[Vance Wood]

The earth is changing, I don't care what party you're from.

I would be surprised if it were not, it always has for millions of years before man came along. It is the concept that the change is brought about by man and that man can fix it------at a cost if we pay enough.

 

[milehigh_7]

The earth is changing, I don't care what party you're from.

As it always has and always will. We did not cause it nor can we stop it.

 

[zelk]

I would be surprised if it were not, it always has for millions of years before man came along. It is the concept that the change is brought about by man and that man can fix it------at a cost if we pay enough.

I tend to lean pessimistic towards human capability of fixing problems while using the same brain that created them to begin with. Humans are ruining the atmosphere and the water undoubtedly. Are there any people to exploit the supposed solution to a problem? Of course! The exact nature of the earth is extremely misterious but can be understood better like anything. We don't even understand the body or the human brain!! I agree that we are minuscule in comparison to the forces of nature but we still have to take responsibility for our pollution. Politics destroys the objectivity of every issue.

 

[milehigh_7]

I tend to lean pessimistic towards human capability of fixing problems while using the same brain that created them to begin with. Humans are ruining the atmosphere and the water undoubtedly. Are there any people to exploit the supposed solution to a problem? Of course! The exact nature of the earth is extremely misterious but can be understood better like anything. We don't even understand the body or the human brain!! I agree that we are minuscule in comparison to the forces of nature but we still have to take responsibility for our pollution. Politics destroys the objectivity of every issue.

Okay... Now this I can agree with!

 

[LanceMac10]

As it always has and always will. We did not cause it nor can we stop it.

But not forever....planets have a "limited" shelf life, I believe.



So let's have everyone live like animals just so we can put some lipstick on this pig!!!

 

[Vance Wood]

But not forever....planets have a "limited" shelf life, I believe.



So let's have everyone live like animals just so we can put some lipstick on this pig!!!

We just assume that to be true and cannot imagine anything contrary but still, we have not witnessed the demise of a planet.

 

[LanceMac10]

I think the science is pretty clear. Molten cores lead to dynamic movement at the surface. No hot core, you got a big rock/moon/asteroid.....hell, some "moons" should be called planets....


Kinda' like a Christian believes in God.....nobody see's him or has proof.....but they still believe.....

 

[michaelj]

I don't argue that the climate may be changing but I despute that our activity is 100% responsible for it. No one is siting activity of the Sun or the inclination of the Earth in realtion to the Sun. All of which can cause climate change. So----Who caused the warm up during the age of Dinosaurs or the cool down during the several Ice ages----my ignorance? How about the warm up that ended the Ice Ages, and how about the warm up that ended the Ice Ball Earth that is one of the recent cause celebs of climate understanding? All of that stuff happened before Human activity could have an effect on anything????

Vance, that's like looking at the temperature in my house, after I turn on the A/C, and arguing that I had nothing to do with cooling the house, because the house also gets cooler and warmer when I'm not there to turn the A/C on or off.

I would be surprised if it were not, it always has for millions of years before man came along. It is the concept that the change is brought about by man and that man can fix it------at a cost if we pay enough.

I get what you're saying about the speculation concerning what we can do to fix it and how much it will cost. But the ideas that it is still possible that the Earth is not on an abundantly clear warming trend, or that we are not a primary cause of that warming trend, these ideas are no longer considered plausible by any serious scientist in the relevant fields. We are on a sustained warming trend. We are the primary cause of it. It's not solar activity or wobbles on the axis. There actually has been a lot of research and studying into the effects of solar activity and the orbital inclination of the Earth. The problems are in the atmosphere, and the source of those changes is quite obvious.

 

[StoneCloud]

Freak storm passing through right now! crazy amounts of rain and windy as hell!.... knocked down a juniper.....it will be alright but my backyard is flooded!!!

Just a week or so ago people had fish in their yards in my town !! Never ending rain this time of year here.

 

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[Mac In Oak Ridge]

At some point you have to believe experts in any given field, if for no other reason than we don't have the time or expertise to do all the experiments and observations ourselves. You can choose to ignore them if you wish but that won't change physics. In the end, the only thing we can try to moderate climate change is altering human activity.....or we do nothing and see what happens. Life on this planet will survive. Humans may not.

Ask one of your experts in a given field what the temperature will be, high and low, on this day next month. Let us know what they tell you.

 

[michaelj]

Ask one of your experts in a given field what the temperature will be, high and low, on this day next month. Let us know what they tell you.

Why? That would prove or explain nothing. It's like mocking an actuary by demanding to know the date and time a particular person will die. Yeah, we get it. They won't know that. It doesn't mean that they are know-nothings when it comes to big picture, long term averages and the like.

 

[watchndsky]

Ask one of your experts in a given field what the temperature will be, high and low, on this day next month. Let us know what they tell you.

im voting hot with a chance of afternoon showers.

 

[Vance Wood]

Well I guess we are all going to fry and die, our balls will shrivle up like peanuts, because there is not a fricking thing you can do to change any of this scenario that does not demand that you basically give up your life and your freedom. It's the new home of the Socialist/Communist/Progressive left. How perfect is it? They control one side of the equation that provides the funding and the media sources that can and will condemn and pillory anyone that does not agree with them, and the rhetoric that calls me and anyone foolish enough to agree with me any manner of despicable names.

 

[Mac In Oak Ridge]

Why? That would prove or explain nothing. It's like mocking an actuary by demanding to know the date and time a particular person will die. Yeah, we get it. They won't know that. It doesn't mean that they are know-nothings when it comes to big picture, long term averages and the like.

The fact that you replied and completely understand the point of my post says it all. No one knows what the climate will bring tomorrow much less in a month or a year. Al Gore is famous for having said around 2005 that the oceans would all dry up by 2015 and now won't respond to questions about his statement. And further a few months after making that statement he bought a $7 million ocean front house in California. Further, the legitimate climate data confirms that there has only been something like a 0.5 degree change in the average temperature in the last 30 years. Not to mention that if the climate got a couple of degrees warmer all it would mean is that food crops could be grown further north or south than they currently are and would help feed the world with the new tillable land.

 

[Vance Wood]

The fact that you replied and completely understand the point of my post says it all. No one knows what the climate will bring tomorrow much less in a month or a year. Al Gore is famous for having said around 2005 that the oceans would all dry up by 2015 and now won't respond to questions about his statement. And further a few months after making that statement he bought a $7 million ocean front house in California. Further, the legitimate climate data confirms that there has only been something like a 0.5 degree change in the average temperature in the last 30 years. Not to mention that if the climate got a couple of degrees warmer all it would mean is that food crops could be grown further north or south than they currently are and would help feed the world with the new tillable land.

Better be careful about saying that kind of thing. They are liable to show up at your residence in black jump suits, ski masks, clubs and fire.