Flowering cascade/semi-cascade?

[RJG2]

What would be a good flowering species for a cascade/semi-cascade? I've been image searching, but haven't find anything super exciting.

I have a tallish light green glazed pot, and I'm not sure what to use it for.

I'll take a photo of the pot when I get home this afternoon.

 

[TomB]

Crab apple, hawthorn, pyracantha, cotoneaster, Japanese quince, potentilla, Japanese flowering apricot

 

[Cadillactaste]

One really needs the bones to lend itself as well to that style...or it will always feel forced. Tom offered a good selection. But the bones will more or less depict what style it will go. Especially for your location.

 

[RJG2]

Thanks for the suggestions; agree about the bones. Just looking for a place to start

It isn't a huge pot, so I could probably train something smallish from a nursery for a few years first.

 

[RJG2]

Been wanting a pyracantha, maybe my neighbors will let me do an air layer.

 

[penumbra]

If a tropical will work you can't beat a bougainvillea for a cascading flowering tree that develops pretty quickly.

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

Azaleas tend to make excellent cascades. Many, actually most Satsuki and kurume azalea tend to be wider than tall. This basal dominance makes cascades easier.

 

[HorseloverFat]

One really needs the bones to lend itself as well to that style...or it will always feel forced.

This, I believe, is the most important part.

Keep all of this “species-specific” information you were provided with. Start your process with THESE two thoughts...

1. You enjoy the appearance of flowering trees. (Seek out the ones you enjoy most.)

2. You enjoy the appearance of a cascade/semi-cascade presentation. (Keep this in mind while examining structures of the flowering trees you are seeking out.)

You will find where the “circles” of your “graph” intersect. (And most likely OTHER preferences, as well.)

 

[RJG2]

If a tropical will work you can't beat a bougainvillea for a cascading flowering tree that develops pretty quickly.

I do have a small bougie, but I'm just trying to keep it alive in Maine at the moment

Azaleas tend to make excellent cascades. Many, actually most Satsuki and kurume azalea tend to be wider than tall. This basal dominance makes cascades easier.

This was my other thought originally.

 

[Cadillactaste]

I do have a small bougie, but I'm just trying to keep it alive in Maine at the moment



This was my other thought originally.

Bougies can do fine up north...I notice they prefer when indoors...grow lights for 18 hours a day to grow happily through winter. I've had this one quite a while...Of course when weather permits...Get them outside.


When it first arrived...

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

The deeper the cascade, the more difficult it is to keep growth balanced. When I get home to my laptop, I'll share photos of mine.

A full cascade the decending branch extends below the foot of the pot. The semi-cascade the branch terminates between the rim and the foot of the pot. Full Cascades are a pain, as they always have to be at the edge of a shelf, so the decending branch doesn't get broken.

To keep foliage balanced, the upper parts of the cascade will sometimes need pruning 3 times more often than the lowest part of the tree.

To start a cascade, first plant the trunk at an angle. A trunk that is perfectly vertical, looks wrong on a cascade. I'd angle the trunk to either 60 degrees or even down to 30 degrees off horizontal. The younger the tree when you change the angle of the trunk the better. This allows you to develop the root flare, or butress at the base of the trunk (nebari). You can work out the decending branch later.

This is just the start.

 

[RJG2]

Bougies can do fine up north...I notice they prefer when indoors...grow lights for 18 hours a day to grow happily through winter. I've had this one quite a while...Of course when weather permits...Get them outside.

Mine did pretty well under some LEDs this winter in my office, had a few flowers and was looking much better than the sad state I found it in at the nursery. I have high pressure sodium lights at home, but not sure I want to send the $ on the electricity. I'll have to do some research on new ones.

It's been outside for awhile, but I rushed the sun exposure a bit too much and burned most of the leaves. New ones are just starting to pop everywhere.

Might need a rebuild anyway - there are a few sharp angles I don't love. Plan on taking some cuttings as well.

 

[HorseloverFat]

That Bougie is se-e-e-EXY!!

I notice they prefer when indoors...grow lights for 18 hours a day to grow happily through winter.

Second! (..for this is what I do, as well... 18(ish)/6(ish)

Can’t wait to see it, @Leo in N E Illinois

 

[HorseloverFat]

The deeper the cascade, the more difficult it is to keep growth balanced. When I get home to my laptop, I'll share photos of mine.

A full cascade the decending branch extends below the foot of the pot. The semi-cascade the branch terminates between the rim and the foot of the pot. Full Cascades are a pain, as they always have to be at the edge of a shelf, so the decending branch doesn't get broken.

To keep foliage balanced, the upper parts of the cascade will sometimes need pruning 3 times more often than the lowest part of the tree.

To start a cascade, first plant the trunk at an angle. A trunk that is perfectly vertical, looks wrong on a cascade. I'd angle the trunk to either 60 degrees or even down to 30 degrees off horizontal. The younger the tree when you change the angle of the trunk the better. This allows you to develop the root flare, or butress at the base of the trunk (nebari). You can work out the decending branch later.

This is just the start.

Thanks, Leo... I’ll take and use this advice, as well.

 

[Cadillactaste]

Mine did pretty well under some LEDs this winter in my office, had a few flowers and was looking much better than the sad state I found it in at the nursery. I have high pressure sodium lights at home, but not sure I want to send the $ on the electricity. I'll have to do some research on new ones.

It's been outside for awhile, but I rushed the sun exposure a bit too much and burned most of the leaves. New ones are just starting to pop everywhere.

Might need a rebuild anyway - there are a few sharp angles I don't love. Plan on taking some cuttings as well.

Honestly...I have old T bulbs...and mine grows quite nicely under it. Cheaper to run...As you can see...I've developed it quite nicely with my set up. Glad it's doing so well for you and looks better than before. I know some who defoliate their tropical, before setting outside. I've never done that...I've also not experienced burnt leaves and mine is in full sun. But a fun species...if you don't mind the grow lights come winter.

 

[Leo in N E Illinois]

There's a bewildering array of LED available now, with a wide range of performance. LED promise to be the most energy efficient. But initial cost of LED can be steep. Hit your local marijuana grow shop to "kick tires" and comparison shop. I've had real serious quality issues with LED. Often they failed the first time you plug them in. So I recommend buying from brick and mortar, where you can return and complain if it doesn't work.

 

[RJG2]

There's a bewildering array of LED available now, with a wide range of performance. LED promise to be the most energy efficient. But initial cost of LED can be steep. Hit your local marijuana grow shop to "kick tires" and comparison shop. I've had real serious quality issues with LED. Often they failed the first time you plug them in. So I recommend buying from brick and mortar, where you can return and complain if it doesn't work.

Agreed! That's where my HPS lights are from, back when I participated in that "hobby."

It's also the only place I can find pumice.

 

[HorseloverFat]

There's a bewildering array of LED available now, with a wide range of performance. LED promise to be the most energy efficient. But initial cost of LED can be steep. Hit your local marijuana grow shop to "kick tires" and comparison shop. I've had real serious quality issues with LED. Often they failed the first time you plug them in. So I recommend buying from brick and mortar, where you can return and complain if it doesn't work.

Agreed! Simply through perusing and sourcing “deals”, I managed to set up a fairly adequate indoor space (Roughly HALF LED) for a VERY reasonable amount of money.

(The problems that I DID have were that WEREN’T related to my lack of electrical experience where taken care of by the companies promptly and without argument.)

 

[HorseloverFat]

(Sorry, didn’t see your “Agreed”.... whoops!)

I’m not a Copy-Cat!

 

[sorce]

A Greed killed someone like curiosity killed the cat...copy?

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