For all you graft haters like me....

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I did it after seven years of thinking about it.. I finally found someone selling a JM cultivar that I've been in love with for years..no graft..seedling...cost me a pretty penny for a stick in a pot, but I wont ever have to worry about a graft ever again....I've been avoiding it because I knew the material would be minuscule, but Im 22 and I figure I wouldn't have something respectable by my middle age if I didn't start soon...Well here it is..


Acer Palmatum v. Linearlobum

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The seller disappointed me with the medium it's in and I don't dare repot this late into the season...Probably going into a growing bed come spring to get some bulk, but I know this one's going to be a slow process......Any thoughts?...And do you think this is worth not having a graft line? (no matter how low people pretend theirs are...lol)
 
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It is only up to you if you think it is worth it. As long as you realize this is a 10-15 year project. :D

Rob
 
Put it in the ground and take cuttings. Enjoy it. Grow grow grow and I'm sure it will be great.
 
It is only up to you if you think it is worth it. As long as you realize this is a 10-15 year project. :D

Rob

I think it's it worth it....This leaf type is really open and airy and allows for viewing of ramification even in summer ( albeit nowhere near as well as winter or spring), but with such little surface area on the leaf, growth will be slower than normal for a JM, which isn't incredible to begin with....I was thinking 25, but 15 sounds better :)
 
Put it in the ground and take cuttings. Enjoy it. Grow grow grow and I'm sure it will be great.

These don't take well from cuttings...normally die within a year or two on their own roots(I've tried)..Has something to do with the genetics of the cultivar...Linearlobum do well as grafts and ,on the rare occasion they sprout from seed, as seedling...
 
It is my understanding that u cannot have a cultivar from seed (genetics thing) so if it is the actual cultivar it should be from a cutting. If it is a seed and is very close to the parent stock and what you like you can patent it yourself and maybe yours will be hardier from cuttings.
 
I correct myself, it is of the linearlobum grouping of JM, it's mother tree was a "Red Pygmy" cultivar, so yes this resembles the mother closely but is obviously genetically different. I don't think I'll patent, unless cutting hardiness is significantly better......
 
My seedlings lobes are thicker than that of "Red Pygmy", but I won't know for sure if this remains a constant trait till I have seen the leaves from a few growing seasons...
 
It will take years but you can make it into something

Depending on the length of your growing seasons you can get pretty fast growth from some Japanese Maples. I have one that has been in the ground about 6-7 years. Bought it as a stick cutting of a comparable size to this one about 8 years ago. It is still in the ground at a rental property I own, but the trunk on it is already HEFTY. I have debated about digging it up and making a Bonsai from it, but it is such a nice landscape tree I think I have to leave it now. I have air layered a couple trees off it over the years and even the air layers have respectable trunks in the 1.5-2 inch range. I just repotted one to a training pot this year and chopped it to start working it into a Bonsai, the others are probably going to get more work next year...
I know the cultivar you are working with is more of a dwarf variety and will grow a good bit slower, I am talking about a standard green variety...

As far as planting this tree somewhere... Put it in the ground now if you want. Just keep it a little more wet than you normally would until you see new growth and have a good idea it is making new roots. The danger with repotting this time of year is you don't want to take an established tree, pull it out the pot, prune roots, do a big overhaul... That is a recipe for disaster in the heat of the summer! If you want to move that tree to a bigger pot to let it grow, or put it in the ground you can pretty much do that with just about any tree even at this point in the summer.
Up potting or planting in the ground isn't nearly as stressful on the tree as repotting an old established bonsai and doing root work would be... Yeah, it is BEST to repot in the Spring or Fall, but if you are just taking a tree out that tiny nursery pot, and carefully moving to a nice partially shaded spot in your yard or a bigger pot without disturbing the roots much, The tree will barely notice it was touched. I have done it with everything from Pines to Maples to Elms and if you think about it, landscapers would only be able to work like 1 month out the year if you couldn't plant trees/ shrubs in the ground during the summer! I just planted a crepe Myrtle in the ground this past weekend, and it is a pretty sunny spot. it is doing fine after almost a week... It was actually getting a bit pot bound in it's little pot when I got it a couple weeks ago and was wilting during hot days. After a couple days In the ground, and keeping it pretty moist, the tree is thriving already and holding up a lot better than it did in a pot. In my humble opinion, if growth is your goal (as it should be) there is no reason to wait another 10 months or so to plant that thing! Get it started now, don't prune it for a couple years, let it go strong In regular garden soil, fertilize well... And see what you have in a couple years, then start worrying about shape.

Good luck!
 
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