Anthony
Imperial Masterpiece
Al,
I gave you two images of the the trident. As you requested.
Good Day
Anthony
I gave you two images of the the trident. As you requested.
Good Day
Anthony
Ris,
please don't bother. Years ago Khaimraj got milder reactions for Chinese Elms, the Gingko and the Celtis. The idea was that the trees would grow for a few years and then die.
The older heads on IBC can verify this when IBC was an e-mail service.
It is expected that an island in the tropics, is as hot as say Texas in the summer all year long. Takes a while for it to sink in that islands can be cooler in summer, than the mainlands of USA and China.
We have stronger sunlight, but are also breezy and for 6 months low humidity.
Most folk still question that one can grow J.B pines in the tropics. Or that we can record much larger trunk expansions, another example is the Chinese elm.
Good Day
Anthony
Ris,
please don't bother. Years ago Khaimraj got milder reactions for Chinese Elms, the Gingko and the Celtis. The idea was that the trees would grow for a few years and then die.
The older heads on IBC can verify this when IBC was an e-mail service.
It is expected that an island in the tropics, is as hot as say Texas in the summer all year long. Takes a while for it to sink in that islands can be cooler in summer, than the mainlands of USA and China.
We have stronger sunlight, but are also breezy and for 6 months low humidity.
Most folk still question that one can grow J.B pines in the tropics. Or that we can record much larger trunk expansions, another example is the Chinese elm.
Good Day
Anthony
Eric,
I left an image for Al in post #19, one with a measuring tape in inches.
Satisfied his request.
Good Day
Anthony
The girth of the bole is important,especially in later life.
http://www.monumentaltrees.com/en/content/measuringgirth/
Al,
if you had asked nicely, I would have given you any images that I have.
Since you chose to be cynical, well ..................
The information used for the faster growing was out of Bonsai Today, the articles on J.B.pines, which you are well aquainted with.
They work on other trees as well.
When Ris [ Rishi] comes down, I have made arrangements for him to see.
He can take images and post here.
I tend to treat folk on this group as friends, and was sharing some ideas, as one might do in a group having tea togther.
Sadly.
Good Day
Anthony
The tree in the photo does not even have a two inch trunk. I have been growing tridents for twenty years, do I come across ignorant on this subject or something?
You have showed a picture of "A" trident. That prooves nothing and the trident you showed does not even match the enormous claims you state. If your going to post a picture of a trident at least show something worthy of your claims. You havn't even met the minimum requirements in my mind.
This tree is exactly the size it should be since 1994 in a two gallon pot. You still wish to persue this three inches in a few months thing? I have a hundred seeds in the fridge right now I will send in a heartbeat for you to show us how the magic is done. You only need a few months right, hell the ink on the thread won't be dry by then.
The tree in the photo does not even have a two inch trunk. I have been growing tridents for twenty years, do I come across ignorant on this subject or something?
You have showed a picture of "A" trident. That prooves nothing and the trident you showed does not even match the enormous claims you state. If your going to post a picture of a trident at least show something worthy of your claims. You havn't even met the minimum requirements in my mind.
This tree is exactly the size it should be since 1994 in a two gallon pot. You still wish to persue this three inches in a few months thing? I have a hundred seeds in the fridge right now I will send in a heartbeat for you to show us how the magic is done. You only need a few months right, hell the ink on the thread won't be dry by then.
Al,
I challenge you to send me some seeds.
just work with whips as the trident maple in the first year can grow to 2 or 3 " in trunk down here.
In the beginning, trees got to 3 to 5" trunks more or less by accident. Presently, trees are being grown and trained continuously, you know root, trunk say six branches and at this stage, the trunk will be roughly 1/2 " thick. Takes between 5 to 10 years to do and it only gets better as time goes by.
Good Day
Anthony
A fridge can also be supplied, just work with whips as the trident maple in the first year can grow to 2 or 3 " in trunk down here.
So if it could be shown that a seed/seedling could be designed into something over a period of 5 to 10 years, then the collecting instinct could be perhaps controlled.
Additionally, the design would have to impress and as usual, the big trunk would be needed, since everyone wants a big trunk.
As I said, just sharing.
You can always ask questions.
Good Day
Anthony
Al,
It grew from a whip, purchased in the UK in 1994, and went to around 2 to 3" in under 6 months. Is that something unique?
Thanking you in advance.
Good Day
Anthony
Hi, Anthony,
So, if you're growing from a whip to a total of 2 to 3 inches, and the whip is .5 inches to start with, then the total growth in a year (not a few months) would be 1.5 to 2.5 inches. For tree growth on an island with a mild climate such as yours, this does not seem unusual to me. Considering the fact that root growth will continue even when top growth has stopped, and knowing that the thickening of roots radiating from the trunk will inevitably contribute to base diameter, it seems even less unusual.
Trees that I grew in the mountains of southern China between 2011 and late this year saw some pretty nice growth as well, though maybe not quite as much as 2.5 inches in one year. I'll have to see how things compare growing up in Beijing this year.
Al,
[ said in a quiet voice ]
it made the trunk size in a few months. After that as far as I know all the effort was in learning how to keep to healthy and we failed.
Boy do you like to argue. First, I never grew the tree, then it could not have that trunk size, and now you find something else, where do you end?
3" is the size of trunk, we use for 15" tall trees, and can fit in the refrigerator, with the other trees.
Or is it that we can grow a 3" trunk in a few months and you cannot?
Remember the Bonsai Today articles?
As I also told you we do not cross 93 deg.F for more than hour and 86 or lower can be our normal, not 108 deg.F
Good Day
Anthony
Ny,
the trunk grew to 3" in a few months. The tree was firstly grown as a normal tree, under the shade of a Flacourtia tree and after a few years, entered the winter in the fridge cycle.
Our climate, will cool to 70 deg.F from say 6 p.m to 8 or 9 a.m in the months of sometimes as early as October, but normally November and the trident maple responds to shorter days, then the cooler weather.
[ Pot was a 2 gallon and the basic soil we use for all the trees]
By January 21st or so, it is ready to enter the fridge. It never gets the autumn colour, but the leaves drop.
The coolness is enhanced by placing the tree in the north side of the house, and the stone of the house walls continue to cool the air all day long. The north side of the house is in shade from October until the 26th of February.
Tree was removed from the fridge around April 1st and then buds out in May.
Never experienced leaf burn as reported from Miami.
We have no heatwaves, and mild humidity, even with heavy rainfall, the humidity rarely crosses 80%.
So all that was done was mild extensions, and defoliation once a year as the book says to.
The mistake made was too wet a soil. Will be trying again.
In the UK in Cornwall, Marcus Watts [ IBC ], if memory is correct, has his trident in a green house. Cornwall I believe is a zone 9b.
We are unable to provide the chill to complete the dormancy.
Does this help?
Good Day
Anthony
the trunk grew to 3" in a few months. The tree was firstly grown as a normal tree, under the shade of a Flacourtia tree and after a few years, entered the winter in the fridge cycle.
Vance,
you will notice that I left two images of the tree.
Daygan,
note, I have not said that every tree in our mild climate grows trunks rapidly, just a comment to Ris, on a trident maple.
I leave it all at that.
Good Day
Anthony
Above are the quotes by Anthony in this thread. As you can see Daygan, they are all over the place from trunks by accident to one year to several years to only 1/2" growth in a year.
the trunk grew to 3" in a few months. The tree was firstly grown as a normal tree, under the shade of a Flacourtia tree and after a few years, entered the winter in the fridge cycle.